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Re: F the NCAA

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:36 pm
by NDballer13
jfish26 wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:28 am I get the sense this really isn't about basketball, but is about abusing status as a non-revenue-sport athlete to get admission.

(It's here I'd note that basketball (and, most notably, the efforts of generally poor, black kids) presently subsidizes the education of these (generally, rich, white) kids who weren't qualified to get into the schools in the first place).
I don't think it has anything to do with basketball either, but I didn't feel like starting a new thread for a headline that says FBI catches more coaches doing stuff, lol.

This is essentially the coach of the club lacrosse team saying they recruited the neighbors kid who has never played lacrosse in his life.

Re: F the NCAA

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:01 pm
by jfish26
NewtonHawk11 wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:20 pm
jfish26 wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:49 pm Also - it's pretty fucking terrific that the NCAA has enough time to find reason to suspend de Sousa for two seasons, while not even bothering to see if non-revenue-sports kids even play sports.
That’s the most bizarre thing. Like how does someone get admitted as an athlete, but they weren’t even on rosters or anything like that.

So dumb. NCAA is completely deflating more and more each day.
Things the NCAA Cares About

Payments to "guardians" of which players are unaware
4th grade report cards from Mali
Self-reported academic fraud performed by a rogue tutor

These Things Are Fine

Fake "paper" classes (so long as regular students take fake "paper" classes also)
Kids being enrolled (and cleared) as athletes despite not playing sports

Re: F the NCAA

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:08 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
Well aren’t we well past thinking the ncaa exists to ensure student athlete success and integrity?

Re: F the NCAA

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:43 pm
by Geezer
The motto of the United States should change from E Pluribus Unum to If you aren't cheatin, you aren't tryin.

Re: F the NCAA

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:57 pm
by jfish26
CrimsonNBlue wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:08 pm Well aren’t we well past thinking the ncaa exists to ensure student athlete success and integrity?
We are.

Alas, the mission statement remains: “Our mission is to be an integral part of higher education and to focus on the development of our student-athletes.”

http://www.ncaa.org/about/who-we-are/of ... ident-mark

Re: F the NCAA

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:24 pm
by jfish26
https://deadspin.com/here-are-all-the-i ... 1833236579

I wouldn't trust the NCAA to run a damn Girl Scout Cookie table.

Re: F the NCAA

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:35 pm
by Geezer
Geezer wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:43 pm The motto of the United States should change from E Pluribus Unum to If you aren't cheatin, you aren't tryin.
Fish, the NCAA doesn't have a lot to do with this.

Re: F the NCAA

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:59 pm
by ousdahl
This go here?



Re: F the NCAA

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:34 pm
by jfish26
Geezer wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:35 pm
Geezer wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:43 pm The motto of the United States should change from E Pluribus Unum to If you aren't cheatin, you aren't tryin.
Fish, the NCAA doesn't have a lot to do with this.
All these kids had to get through the Clearinghouse.

Re: F the NCAA

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:37 pm
by Geezer
Too early to say that. Kids that had advantages weren't only through coaches.

Re: F the NCAA

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:24 am
by jfish26
I’m confused - too early to say they had to get through the clearinghouse? No, that’s in the charging papers.

And of course, F the NCAA is also a general sentiment expressing strong dislike for the entire cartel structure in which people are putting college basketball at risk in order to perpetuate a morally and ethically wrong system.

Re: F the NCAA

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:22 am
by Geezer
There were other methods than through athletics. Why wouldn't the clearing house rule that a mediocre student was eligible?

Re: F the NCAA

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:26 am
by jfish26
https://www.athleticscholarships.net/nc ... ghouse.htm
Your Sport: This is the most time consuming section in terms of detailed questioning and information that the student-athlete needs to provide to the eligibility center. The questions will cover information about teams and clubs that you have been a part of; including the events you have participated in. This section consists of 5-8 sections depending on the sport you play, including Introduction, Expenses, Training Expenses, Athletics Contacts and Teams, Awards, Additional Questions, and Event Registrations.

Select the sport that you want to participate in college. If you wish to be registered for 2 sports, you will first complete one sport and then enter in information on other sports you plan to participate in at the DI or DII level.

Expenses: Have you ever competed in a sports event where any part of your expenses was paid for by someone other than your family, your team/club or the sponsor of the event? If your answer is Yes you will need to provide: Event Date, Event Name, expenses that were paid The person/ organization who paid expenses, amount paid, country the event took place, state, city. If you answer No, you will have to electronically confirm your response with your initials.

Training Expenses: Have you ever received funding to cover your training expenses from someone other than your family or the team/sports club with which you were training? If you respond with YES, you will need to add a new entry that will include: Who paid for your training expense(s), Who / what was the source and the amount of money that was supplied. If you respond with NO, you will be asked to verify your response by initialing response.

Athletics Contacts: Have you ever given permission to anyone other than a parent, legal guardian or coach to market (advertise or promote athletic skills) your skills in your sport? If you respond with YES, you will need to add a new entry including this information: Name of the individual you gave permission, Individuals relationships to you, Individual’s phone number, individual’s email address, types of service you received and additional questions.

Did you enter into a written or verbal agreement with this individual?
Did you enter into an agreement for future representation?
Did you pay for these services?
If you respond with No to all questions, you will have to verify response by initialing.

Teams/ Clubs: Listing of all teams/clubs you have practiced or played with since turning 14 years old (other than a U.S. high school team) also you will be asked to answer specific questions related to playing for the team. Basic team information: Name of team/ club, Country, City, League, Division/Level, Team/Club contact name, Team/Club contact phone number and/or email address, start date and end date of team.

Additional Questions:

Which of these items did the team/club provide to you to participate? (Entry fees, Equipment, facility usage, Health / Medical Insurance, Lodging, Meals, Physical Therapy, Stipends and Transportation.)

Which of these items did the team/club provide to any of your teammates for them to participate? (Entry fees, Equipment, facility usage, Health / Medical Insurance, Lodging, Meals, Physical Therapy, Stipends and Transportation.)

How many events or games did you participate in as part of this team/club, per season?

Awards: Have you ever competed in an event as an individual (not as part of a team/ club) where you received any type of award for your participation? If Yes, you will have to enter in an entry for each award that will include these additional questions:

Did the event span multiple days, date which the event took place, Name of the event and of the award that was accepted, type of award received ( Money, gift certificate, merchandise, prize money, voucher) Amount received for this specific event;
Who paid for this award;

Did you have any expenses related to this event;

Was participation in this event by invitation only and location of event.

Event Registrations: Have you ever indicated on any type of registration form that you are competing in an event as a professional player? If Yes, you will need to mark when the event took place, the name of event, country the event took place, state, city, event representative name- phone and email If No, you will be asked to initial verification.

Re: F the NCAA

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:57 am
by jfish26
All of us - pdub included - can enjoy Bilas dunking all over Kietzman, right?


Re: F the NCAA

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:28 pm
by NewtonHawk11
jfish26 wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:57 am All of us - pdub included - can enjoy Bilas dunking all over Kietzman, right?

Saw that this am, and Bilas just straight up put him in his place. Bilas is not someone you should go at. He knows this stuff more than most do and he's articulate in communicating it.

Re: F the NCAA

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:34 pm
by jfish26
Inject it all, straight into my veins.


















Re: F the NCAA

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:05 pm
by Deleted User 89
bilas on fire

kk is a joke

Re: F the NCAA

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:52 pm
by Sparko
KK can eat shit with his Sonic mini hotdogs.

Re: F the NCAA

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:00 am
by Deleted User 89
will wade asking for reinstatement

Re: F the NCAA

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:59 am
by Mjl
Will Wade on wiretap admitted to giving offers to Smart. And what did the NCAA do? Acted super quickly to clear him.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... ney-opener
Is this an intentional middle-finger to KU?