Kansas Crimson

KUTradition wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 8:46 pm

Harris would likely perform well, also, but she has a tendency to use waaaaay to many words and complicate the narrative

japhy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 10:07 pm Kamala Harris/Liz Cheney

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 4:44 pm

japhy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 4:20 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 3:00 pm

If this is true, then my personal opinion is that withholding a vote for Biden does not make sense.

The thing that does not make sense, is that mich and I have the same opinion about a political candidate. Fuck me, what am I missing?

At this point, I think the Ds' odds go:

1 - Someone else, with Biden's money and support
2 - Biden

[enormous gap]

3 - Someone else, without Biden's money and support

In other words, this is up to Biden (and Harris). I think Harris is electable.

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 10:05 pm

KUTradition wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 8:46 pm

Harris would likely perform well, also, but she has a tendency to use waaaaay to many words and complicate the narrative

For sure. It's almost like she does it while she thinks about what she actually wants to say.

I think she'll get better with time.

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 6:44 am

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 10:05 pm

KUTradition wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 8:46 pm

Harris would likely perform well, also, but she has a tendency to use waaaaay to many words and complicate the narrative

For sure. It's almost like she does it while she thinks about what she actually wants to say.

I think she'll get better with time.

Really? I ask because let's be honest, like Joe Biden, seems to me she has gotten worse with time.
Doesn't mean she can't/won't pull a 180 but I wouldn't count on it.

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 6:45 am

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 6:44 am

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 10:05 pm
For sure. It's almost like she does it while she thinks about what she actually wants to say.

I think she'll get better with time.

Really? I ask because let's be honest, like Joe Biden, seems to me she has gotten worse with time.
Doesn't mean she can't/won't pull a 180 but I wouldn't count on it.

Really.

I don't think she'll turn into Obama, but she is absolutely capable of improving her public speaking abilities.

japhy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 10:07 pm Kamala Harris/Liz Cheney

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 7:20 am

japhy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 10:07 pm Kamala Harris/Liz Cheney

Would win by 15 points.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 7:20 am

japhy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 10:07 pm Kamala Harris/Liz Cheney

Would win by 15 points.

KUTradition wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 7:29 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 7:20 am

japhy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 10:07 pm Kamala Harris/Liz Cheney

Would win by 15 points.

wait, you think Cheney would pull R votes but not Kinzinger?

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 6:57 am

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 6:45 am

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 6:44 am

Really? I ask because let's be honest, like Joe Biden, seems to me she has gotten worse with time.
Doesn't mean she can't/won't pull a 180 but I wouldn't count on it.

Really.

I don't think she'll turn into Obama, but she is absolutely capable of improving her public speaking abilities.

Honestly, I'm not so sure she is capable. I like to think she is but she hasn't shown me that in the last 4+ years. Of course I am being critical (overly?) but my guess is I'm hardly alone in being an "independent" voter who feels that way.
Bottom line, I am not so concerned with her public speaking ability. She is who she is (That can be a Kamala Harrisism ) and I don't think she's a terrible VP. I am more concerned with if she is "electable" should she be the Democratic Presidential candidate on the 2024 ballot.

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 7:42 am He does not get a lot of name recognition, but I would vote for Andy Beshear in a second. Two term gov of red-state KY. Lead KY through covid and did it well, daily radio addresses. The mich's of KY hated him but he had enough cross-party support to get reelected after covid.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 7:20 am

japhy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 10:07 pm Kamala Harris/Liz Cheney

Would win by 15 points.

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 8:28 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 7:20 am

japhy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 10:07 pm Kamala Harris/Liz Cheney

Would win by 15 points.

Id vote for it (because we have no choice....cue Shirley....)

but, Im not sure this is the election to get cute and swing for the fences of progress. A non Trump victory is the only required thing....and there are still some people that that ticket would push back to red.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 7:40 am

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 6:57 am

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 6:45 am

Really.

I don't think she'll turn into Obama, but she is absolutely capable of improving her public speaking abilities.

Honestly, I'm not so sure she is capable. I like to think she is but she hasn't shown me that in the last 4+ years. Of course I am being critical (overly?) but my guess is I'm hardly alone in being an "independent" voter who feels that way.
Bottom line, I am not so concerned with her public speaking ability. She is who she is (That can be a Kamala Harrisism ) and I don't think she's a terrible VP. I am more concerned with if she is "electable" should she be the Democratic Presidential candidate on the 2024 ballot.

What is she supposed to have shown you?

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 8:38 am john kasich. tulsi gabbard.

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 8:44 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 7:40 am

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 6:57 am

Honestly, I'm not so sure she is capable. I like to think she is but she hasn't shown me that in the last 4+ years. Of course I am being critical (overly?) but my guess is I'm hardly alone in being an "independent" voter who feels that way.
Bottom line, I am not so concerned with her public speaking ability. She is who she is (That can be a Kamala Harrisism ) and I don't think she's a terrible VP. I am more concerned with if she is "electable" should she be the Democratic Presidential candidate on the 2024 ballot.

What is she supposed to have shown you?

She isn't supposed to have shown me anything other than what she's shown me (another Kamala Harrisism )

Being more serious (yes, I was being serious with my first sentence), I'm not understanding the question in regards to what I think you may be looking for in regards to my answer (another Kamala Harrisism?).
I thought I was being fairly clear by saying she hasn't shown me in the past 4+ years that she is capable of improving her public speaking. Meaning, to me, her public speaking hasn't improved in the past 4+ years and if she was making any effort to improve her public speaking - then she hasn't succeeded in that regard.
All that being said, I don't believe she has made an effort to improve her public speaking because I don't believe she and the Dems have felt it's a big enough issue. Until MAYBE now?