Kansas Crimson

Overlander wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 8:00 pm I think it’s time to just assume that Randy is a verified, proven, idiot troll.

It seems that he is loving being a waste of everyone’s time.

Why feed him?

Officers had many opportunities as the 2022 school massacre in Uvalde, Texas, was still unfolding to reassess their flawed response to the shooting that left 19 children and two teachers dead, the US Justice Department concludes in a damning new report.

Bursts of gunfire, reports a teacher had been shot, then a desperate call from a student trapped with the gunman could – and should – all have prompted a drive to stop the bloodshed far sooner, the Critical Incident Review released Thursday says.

Instead, it took 77 minutes from when the 18-year-old shooter walked into Robb Elementary School until he was stopped. The carnage remains among the deadliest episodes in America’s ongoing scourge of campus shootings.

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The Justice Department report describes the quick arrival of law enforcement officers who ran toward the sound of gunfire, then almost immediately stopped once they got near the classrooms where the gunman was killing fourth graders and educators – a decision that ran counter to widely established active shooter response protocol, which instructs law enforcement to move toward and eliminate any threat.

“Officers on scene should have recognized the incident as an active shooter scenario and moved and pushed forward immediately and continuously toward the threat until the room was entered, and the threat was eliminated. That did not occur,” it says.

Instead, the intensity level dropped as responders began to treat the situation as a “barricaded suspect” operation that did not need immediate action, even as more officers arrived and the signals of ongoing danger multiplied.

That was the “single most critical tactical failure,” the team from the Justice Department’s Office of Community Oriented Policing Services finds.

“For the span of more than 1 hour, between 11:37 a.m. and 12:49 p.m., there were at least 10 stimulus events, including at least six separate instances of gunfire totaling approximately 45 rounds in law enforcement officer presence, as well as officer injuries and the presence of victims. Any one of these events should have driven the law enforcement response to take steps to immediately stop the killing,” the report says.

“During that period, no one assumed a leadership role to direct the response toward the active shooter, provide situational status to responding officers, establish some form of incident command, or clearly assume and communicate the role of incident commander. Interviews with responding officers confirmed that there was confusion about who, if anyone, was in charge, what to do, or the status of the incident.

“Some officers were confused about why there was no attempt to confront the active shooter and rescue the children. Without structure, agency leadership was unaware of the facts surrounding the incident and therefore unable to challenge the repeated decisions not to make entry into the classrooms.”

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More than one survivor recalled hearing someone say, “Say ‘help’ if you need help,” then a child trying to say “help,” then the gunman shooting the victim, the report states.

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 12:26 pm Just watched Garland and other DOJ officials at a press conference in Uvalde. It was difficult to listen to and then they let some of the parents speak. One questions why some police/local officials got promoted rather than jail time.

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:37 pm The thing about Uvalde that will always stick in my mind is the parents who were trying to get in to the school to protect and save their children - and who were stopped by law enforcement. Of course law enforcement should have stopped them but how fricking heartbreaking is it that these parents will always live with the thought that if law enforcement truly gave a fuck and didn't stand around with their thumbs up their asses, their child may still be alive.

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:41 pm

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:37 pm The thing about Uvalde that will always stick in my mind is the parents who were trying to get in to the school to protect and save their children - and who were stopped by law enforcement. Of course law enforcement should have stopped them but how fricking heartbreaking is it that these parents will always live with the thought that if law enforcement truly gave a fuck and didn't stand around with their thumbs up their asses, their child may still be alive.

I'm with you gutter. Forced to stand around and watch those assholes do nothing while preventing the parents from doing anything is insult to injury. It's gotta hurt.

Overlander wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 5:28 pm So much for the "Police are heroes...they run TOWARD danger" tag.

[Victims' families' attorney:] These families didn't need a 400 or 500 page government report to learn that law enforcement failed them in a historic way. They didn't need the report to tell them that law enforcement violated its most sacred responsibility, and that is to protect our children in a time of great need.

They didn't need that. Why didn't they need that? Because they were there. Some had AR-15s pointed at them as they desperately tried to help when law enforcement wouldn't. They were there as their children were being killed while law enforcement was paralyzed, paralyzed. They were there.

So they did not need to learn that. But the details of the investigation will come out for whatever value they provide. It's important to understand what is go back and -- let's just refresh our recollection about what happened that day. Within minutes, really, hundreds of heavily armed law enforcement officers were there from all different agencies.

The DEA was there. The border patrol was there. The Uvalde police were there. The school police were there. The county police were there. Texas marshals were there. It was a convergence of heavily armed and mostly very well trained law enforcement agents.

And you would think that they were fighting to protect a major army from invading us on our borders as we would like our law enforcement to protect us. But who was on the other side of this epic battle? What were they afraid of? Were they afraid of an 18-year-old kid?

This 18-year-old, let's remember, was about 5'5" or 5'6". He was 140 pounds soaking wet. Were they really afraid of this kid? No. They were afraid of his weapon. And it turns out that even -- well, some of these well trained officers are human beings. And guess what, we've learned from this event, from Parkland and other events where law enforcement got cold feet.

These people were scared. They were scared because they're human beings and they were scared of getting killed. And they waited around while somebody else was going to be brave enough to intervene.

The families and Koskoff emphasized that they are fighting for stronger gun regulations, which the report did not address. Koskoff said the gunman ordered 60 thirty-round magazines and more than 1,700 rounds of ammunition to his home when he was 18 years old, but that he has not seen investigations into how he was able to do that.

"Nobody can fault the attorney general for his commitment to this or his concern for the families. It's very moving," he said. "But ... the attorney general wouldn't be here, the families wouldn't be here … I wouldn’t be here, you wouldn't be here, if Congress had just listened to the Sandy Hook families, if they had listened after Parkland."

"You know who would still be here?" he added, his hands shaking, as he read all 19 of the children's names.

KUTradition wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2024 2:51 pm https://www.businessinsider.com/the-nra ... 2024-1?amp

KUTradition wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2024 2:51 pm https://www.businessinsider.com/the-nra ... 2024-1?amp

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:37 pm

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:41 pm

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:37 pm The thing about Uvalde that will always stick in my mind is the parents who were trying to get in to the school to protect and save their children - and who were stopped by law enforcement. Of course law enforcement should have stopped them but how fricking heartbreaking is it that these parents will always live with the thought that if law enforcement truly gave a fuck and didn't stand around with their thumbs up their asses, their child may still be alive.

I'm with you gutter. Forced to stand around and watch those assholes do nothing while preventing the parents from doing anything is insult to injury. It's gotta hurt.

To say nothing of how much it undermines confidence in law enforcement, and encourages vigilantism.

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:18 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2024 2:51 pm https://www.businessinsider.com/the-nra ... 2024-1?amp

More indoctrination by the party that wants to warn you about your kids being indoctrinated.