We Lost the Battle for the Republican Party’s Soul Long Ago

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ousdahl wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:47 am Man, that Nixon story is wild.

If I may ask as non-antagonistically as possible, and we’re once again involved in no shortage of foreign wars, and since it’s an election year…

What would the reaction be among Biden supporters if he started pushing for peace in places like Ukraine or Israel? Or at least pushing the rhetoric of peace?

Would he gain supporters? Loose supporters? Maybe not alienate so many of the younger and more progressive voters he kind of needs? Maybe be knee-jerk ridiculed as a Putin parrot?

Genuinely asking.
Why are we talking about these two situations as if they are same thing? Even just in the narrow confines of your own post, what "peace" would mean is the key to the whole thing, and the meaning is not common to each of the two situations.

If you want to "genuinely ask" things, as "non-antagonistically as possible," then stop asking rigged questions.
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i don’t know why you all continue wasting your time

he never learns and never attempts to do better
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Shirley wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 9:08 am
I'm embarrassed for Tim Scott. I never thought very much of him, but I could barely think less of him now.

Craven pussies like him, Cruz, Rubio, DeSantis, Lindsay Graham, etc., etc., are why we can't have nice things.
what kind of woman would get engaged to such a spineless guy? unless she’s just as craven and power-hungry…
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This is from The Daily Mail, so...

The murky financial past of GOP dropout Tim Scott's new girlfriend has been laid bare in court papers unearthed exclusively by DailyMail.com.

Mindy Noce, 47, was accused of helping tech entrepreneur ex-husband Peter 'Jay' Noce create shell companies to hide their assets and avoid liability over a $1.2million deal gone wrong, according to documents filed in 2017.

At the same time, she was divorcing her former spouse, blaming the collapse of their marriage on his heavy drinking and opioid abuse...


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(That's actually RFK Jr's wife.)
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ousdahl wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:47 am Man, that Nixon story is wild.

If I may ask as non-antagonistically as possible, and we’re once again involved in no shortage of foreign wars, and since it’s an election year…

What would the reaction be among Biden supporters if he started pushing for peace in places like Ukraine or Israel? Or at least pushing the rhetoric of peace?

Would he gain supporters? Loose supporters? Maybe not alienate so many of the younger and more progressive voters he kind of needs? Maybe be knee-jerk ridiculed as a Putin parrot?

Genuinely asking.
Ukraine: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/biden ... d%20issues.

Israel: https://www.reuters.com/world/us-austra ... 20solution.

Apparently what would happen is that some people wouldn't notice it happened because their brains are polluted by their social media feeds.
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lol
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When Putin landlord, Ous need no heat.
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one might think that calling for a two-state SOLUTION would equate with at least something resembling peace, or as close to peace as possible when one side has openly called for the extermination of the other
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Emphasis mine, supporting links in post.

January 24, 2024

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.c ... ry-24-2024
The dust is beginning to settle after last night’s New Hampshire primary. Former president Donald Trump won the Republican primary with 54.3% of the vote, netting him 12 delegates to the Republican National Convention. Former South Carolina governor Nikki Haley came in second with 43.3% of the vote, garnering her 9 delegates. Other candidates together took 2.3%, but none of them won any delegates.

There has been a lot of noise today about whether the New Hampshire results spell good news for Trump or bad news. While the result keeps him in the front spot for the Republican nomination, I fall into the category of observers who see bad news: more than 45% of Republican primary voters—those most fervent about the party—chose someone other than Trump.

As David French pointed out in the New York Times today, Trump is running as a virtual incumbent, and any incumbent facing a challenger who can command 43% of the party faithful is in trouble. President Gerald Ford discovered this equation in 1976 when he faced Ronald Reagan’s insurgency; President George H. W. Bush discovered it in 1992 when he faced a similar challenge from right-wing commentator Patrick Buchanan. While both Ford and Bush went on to win the Republican nomination, they lost the general election.

More important than opinions or history to indicate what the primary indicated, though, is Trump’s apparent anger about Haley’s showing. Politico’s Playbook noted that he “rage-posted” about Haley’s speech after her strong finish with posts that lasted far into the night. Ron Filipkowski noted that at 2:19 this morning he was still at it, posting: “NIKKI CAME IN LAST, NOT SECOND!”


In addition to attacking her from the podium, Trump appeared to threaten her when he warned her about “very dishonest people” she would have to fight. He said she was not going to win, “but if she did, she would “be under investigation…in fifteen minutes and I could tell you five reasons why already. Not big reasons, a little stuff that she doesn’t want to talk about, but she will be under investigation within minutes, and so would Ron have been, but he decided to get out.”

The tactics Trump might have been suggesting became clear this afternoon, when the chair of the Arizona Republican Party, Jeff DeWit, resigned after a recording that appeared to show him trying to bribe Arizona Senate candidate and fervent Trump supporter Kari Lake to stay out of the Senate race was leaked to the press. The tape itself was clearly contrived to show Lake as if she were in a campaign ad, defending Trump and America, but it includes DeWit’s pleas for her to stand aside for two years, presumably while the Arizona party regroups with less extremist candidates, and his request that she name her price.

This sordid story reflects a problem in the state Republican parties as MAGA supporters have tried to take over from the party establishment. In Arizona, challenging the 2020 presidential election—remember the “Cyber Ninjas” who audited the Maricopa County vote?—ran the finances of the Arizona party into the ground. Lake has continued to insist, without evidence, that the election was stolen, and she and other MAGA activists have called for purging the party of all but the Trump faithful. The recording positions Lake as a Trump loyalist fighting against party operatives.

In his resignation letter, DeWit claimed the recording had been “taken out of context” and said he had been “set up.” He noted that Lake has “a disturbing tendency to exploit private interactions for personal gain,” calling out “her habit of secretly recording personal and private conversations. This is obviously a concern given how much interaction she has with high profile people including President Trump,” he added. “I believe she orchestrated this entire situation to have control over the state party,” he wrote.

DeWit said he had “received an ultimatum from Lake’s team: resign today or face the release of a new, more damaging recording. I am truly unsure of its contents,” he wrote, “but considering our numerous past open conversations as friends, I have decided not to take the risk. I am resigning as Lake requested.”

It seems clear the Trump team is eager to consolidate power behind him no matter what it takes, especially in the face of what appears to be his weakness.
Rising authoritarians depend on the idea they are invincible, so being perceived as vulnerable—or as a loser—hits them much harder than it does a normal political candidate.

Republican National Committee chair Ronna McDaniel—who was recorded on November 17, 2020, pressuring two Republican officials in Michigan not to certify Joe Biden’s electors in a county he won by 68% and promising the officials to “get you attorneys”—has urged Haley to drop out of the race. Traditionally, party chairs stay neutral in primary contests. Tonight, Trump posted a threat to donors: “Nikki ‘Birdbrain’ Haley is very bad for the Republican Party and, indeed, our Country…. Anybody that makes a ‘Contribution’ to Birdbrain, from this moment forth, will be permanently barred from the MAGA camp. We don’t want them and will not accept them.”

[...]

There was other good news for the Biden camp today, too. Sign-ups for the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, have surged by 80% under Biden, with a record 21 million people enrolling this year. Trump has promised to get rid of the program, saying that “Obamacare Sucks!!!” and that he will replace it with something better, but neither now nor in his four years in office did he produce a plan.

[...]

More news dropped today about the damage MAGA Republicans are doing to the United States. A report published today in JAMA Internal Medicine estimates that in the 14 states that outlawed abortion after the Supreme Court’s June 2022 Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization decision, 64,565 women became pregnant after being raped, “but few (if any) obtained in-state abortions legally.”

Finally, Jake Sherman and John Bresnahan of Punchbowl News confirmed this evening that although MAGA Republicans have insisted the border is such a crisis that no aid to Ukraine can pass until it is addressed, Trump is preventing congressional action on the border because he wants to run on the issue of immigration. Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) told a closed meeting of Senate Republicans that “the nominee” wants to run his campaign on immigration, adding, “We don’t want to do anything to undermine him.” “We’re in a quandary,” McConnell said.

Jennifer Bendery and Igor Bobic of HuffPost reported that Trump today reached out to Republican senators to kill the bipartisan border deal being finalized, “because he doesn’t want Biden to have a victory,” one source said. “The rational Republicans want the deal because they want Ukraine and Israel and an actual border solution,” Bendery and Bobic quote the source as saying. “But the others are afraid of Trump, or they’re the chaos caucus who never wants to pass anything.”

“They’re having a little crisis in their conference right now.”
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those JAMA estimates are truly shocking
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KUTradition wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 10:26 am those JAMA estimates are truly shocking
I probably wouldn't have to look very hard to find Rs blaming "open borders" (the rhetorical dumb cousin of "mental health" being responsible for rifle round holes in children).
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KUTradition wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 9:09 am i don’t know why you all continue wasting your time

he never learns and never attempts to do better
I’ll prob respond to others later, but this seems like the best place to start.

What do you think I could do to “attempt to do better” here?

Cuz I really would like to learn!
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Shirley wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 8:48 am
Biden keeps trying to get Bibi to back off and Bibi keeps telling Biden to go fuck himself.
Again, I might respond to more later - once I learn more, hopefully.

But it just seems “Biden keep trying to get Bibi to back off” seem very at odds with Biden repeatedly bypassing Congress to supply more weapons to Bibi anyway.
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Hey, remember when the MAGAs lost their goddamn shit over a small amount of coke being found in the BIDEN WHITE HOUSE!!!!?

Trump’s White House clinic improperly handed out narcotics, report finds

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... -improper/
“We found that the White House Medical Unit provided a wide range of health care and pharmaceutical services to ineligible White House staff in violation of Federal law and regulation and DoD policy,” says a new report from the Defense Department’s inspector general. “Additionally, the White House Medical Unit dispensed prescription medications, including controlled substances, to ineligible White House staff.”

Many of those served by the unit should not have been.

The report paints a scathing picture of the military-run facility with 60 medical personnel, who are tasked with treating the president, the vice president and the White House staff.

[…]

Of the numerous problems with the medical unit, one of the most disturbing is its cavalier approach toward narcotics, particularly when the nation is suffering from a devastating opioid addition crisis.

“All phases of the White House Medical Unit’s pharmacy operations had severe and systemic problems,” the inspectors found. It stocked four opioid pain medications: fentanyl, hydrocodone, morphine and oxycodone. But the pharmacy protocols were so poor that they “increased the risk for the diversion of controlled substances” to illicit use.

For example, controlled medications, including sleeping pill Ambien and stimulant Provigil, were dispensed “without verifying the patient’s identity.” A witness told investigators “Dr. [X] asked if I could hook up this person with some Provigil as a parting gift for leaving the White House … in the unit, it was authorized for us to do that kind of stuff.”

[…]

Even clandestine surgery was available.

Aliases were used “to provide free specialty care and surgery to ineligible White House staff members at military medical treatment facilities,” according to the report. Former staffers told the inspectors that an ineligible White House employee received free elective surgery and that “the unit altered practices to cater to high‑ranking officials.”

One staffer said “we bent the rules to meet this very weird, strange culture that was there, and I think it was really to just impress people.”
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but, but, HUNTER!!!
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KUTradition wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:20 pm but, but, HUNTER!!!
valid.

But, isn't that sorta the other team saying "but, but, TRUMP!!!"?
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DeletedUser wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:23 pm
KUTradition wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:20 pm but, but, HUNTER!!!
valid.

But, isn't that sorta the other team saying "but, but, TRUMP!!!"?
good try, but no

posters on here pointed to Hunter’s past issues of evidence that there MUST be something nefarious at foot at the highest levels when the baggy was found in the visitor’s closet or wherever
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Prosecute Ronny Jackson and his staff.
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KUTradition wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:24 pm
DeletedUser wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:23 pm
KUTradition wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:20 pm but, but, HUNTER!!!
valid.

But, isn't that sorta the other team saying "but, but, TRUMP!!!"?
good try, but no

posters on here pointed to Hunter’s past issues of evidence that there MUST be something nefarious at foot at the highest levels when the baggy was found in the visitor’s closet or wherever
Well, in their defense, Hunter is crackhead.
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