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Re: What happened to the immigration thread?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 6:03 am
by Shirley
Our immigration crisis has been an ever-worsening, extremely difficult problem for years, and neither party has seemed able to deal with it successfully. I've posted before that it often seems that rather than actually try to solve the crisis, imo, republicans would rather it continue so that they can scream and yell about it to "own the libs". Short of sending troops to the border and using "deadly force" as Ron DeSantis has suggested, it appears that it will take a bipartisan effort to even hope to begin to solve the mess.
In the following video, AOC presents a pov that many of us not impacted by the problem rarely hear. And IMO, it's very much worth a listen:
AOC Grills NYC Councilwoman On NYC Immigration Crisis
Re: What happened to the immigration thread?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:03 am
by RainbowsandUnicorns
Ok, while he's not wrong, he's basically saying let them be someone else's problem and is kind of pulling a Greg Abbott. Right?
https://cwbchicago.com/2023/10/citys-la ... -says.html
Re: What happened to the immigration thread?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:20 am
by Sparko
Concentration of wealth leads to saturation of needs elsewhere. There is an answer and it has to do with eliminating hoarding of wealth. Investment in our own hemisphere where it would do the most good. There is also a shameless drive in some prominent religions to encourage large families and try to defeat population curbs
Re: What happened to the immigration thread?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:30 am
by jfish26
Shirley wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 6:03 am
Our immigration crisis has been an ever-worsening, extremely difficult problem for years, and neither party has seemed able to deal with it successfully. I've posted before that it often seems that rather than actually try to solve the crisis, imo, republicans would rather it continue so that they can scream and yell about it to "own the libs". Short of sending troops to the border and using "deadly force" as Ron DeSantis has suggested, it appears that it will take a bipartisan effort to even hope to begin to solve the mess.
In the following video, AOC presents a pov that many of us not impacted by the problem rarely hear. And IMO, it's very much worth a listen:
AOC Grills NYC Councilwoman On NYC Immigration Crisis
Carte blanche doesn’t work. Nor does isolationism and pretending it’s even remotely possible to use force (active, passive or both) to keep people put.
Of course, no one is advocating for carte blanche.
Re: What happened to the immigration thread?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:35 am
by Sparko
Seems like a perfect wedge issue that can poke a slumbering bigot or two.
Re: What happened to the immigration thread?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:37 am
by ousdahl
Sparko wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:20 am
Concentration of wealth leads to saturation of needs elsewhere. There is an answer and it has to do with eliminating hoarding of wealth. Investment in our own hemisphere where it would do the most good. There is also a shameless drive in some prominent religions to encourage large families and try to defeat population curbs
Well said, Qusdahl.
I think.
Re: What happened to the immigration thread?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:41 am
by Sparko
Qusdahl in pursuit of social justice is no vice
Re: What happened to the immigration thread?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 9:33 am
by Shirley
This hasn't helped:
In 2011, Venezuela was our 4th largest foreign source of oil. In 2015, Venezuela supplied 10% of our imported oil.
12/7/22
More than 7 million Venezuelans have fled the country since 2015, with 6 million settling in other Latin American countries. The region’s largest migration episode in history is driven by the collapse of the country’s economy, which has left Venezuelans struggling to meet their basic needs.
Between 2013 and 2021, Venezuela’s gross domestic product is estimated to have declined by more than 75 percent, the most for a country not at war in the last 50 years. The COVID-19 pandemic compounded the country’s economic and humanitarian crisis, and in 2020 more than 95 percent of Venezuelans were living below the poverty line.
The arrival of Venezuelans seeking better lives has strained the economies—and societies—of Latin American host countries that are already balancing tight budgets, especially since the pandemic...
9/11/23
U.S. Sanctions Against Venezuela Have Failed
Despite strict U.S. sanctions implemented by former President Donald Trump in January 2019 that cut Venezuela off from global energy and capital markets, the country’s economy has returned to growth. This, along with Maduro effectively sidelining Venezuela’s political opposition, including U.S. designated interim president Juan Guaido fleeing the country, indicates Washington’s attempts to spark the regime have failed. Strict U.S. sanctions, which cut the OPEC member off from global energy and capital markets, combined with over a decade of endemic corruption, malfeasance and mismanagement, caused Venezuela’s economic backbone, its oil industry, to collapse. That triggered the worst economic and humanitarian crisis of modern times to ever occur outside of war.
It is estimated that over seven million Venezuelans have fled the near-failed state since the catastrophe started unfolding in 2014 as Venezuela’s economic backbone, its oil industry, imploded. Endemic corruption and malfeasance, along with a chronic lack of skilled labor and parts for facility refits, drove Venezuela’s oil production lower. The economic fallout from declining petroleum output was magnified by the 2014 oil price collapse, which saw Brent plummet to under $27 per barrel by early 2016, As PDVSA’s finances rapidly deteriorated, petroleum production plummeted due to a lack of crucial facility maintenance, creating a vicious cycle of declining oil output and income that sharply impacted the petrostate’s economy and finances...
Re: What happened to the immigration thread?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 9:58 am
by KUTradition
Re: What happened to the immigration thread?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 10:11 am
by Sparko
But Fox referenced X which referenced Newsmax referencing Fox.
Re: What happened to the immigration thread?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 10:17 am
by Shirley
Sparko wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 10:11 am
But Fox referenced X which referenced Newsmax referencing Fox.
Trad and his "facts".
Re: What happened to the immigration thread?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 11:53 am
by twocoach
"In fact, the new data – analyzed by our team at the Cato Institute – indicate that the number of immigrants is still 2 million below the Census Bureau’s 2017 predictions. The hyperbolic rhetoric should take a backseat to the verifiable data."
I don't put a lot of credence behind "better than predicted". It's like giving a coach the CoY Award because they did better than predicted. Maybe the predictions just sucked.
Re: What happened to the immigration thread?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 12:27 pm
by Sparko
Cruelty at a lesser rate than expected is still just Republicanism.
Re: What happened to the immigration thread?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 6:39 pm
by Overlander
Fear, Fear Fear, Hate, Hate, Hate.
Feel good story at the end.
Pretty much sums up right side media.
Re: What happened to the immigration thread?
Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2023 6:57 am
by RainbowsandUnicorns
Re: What happened to the immigration thread?
Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2023 7:57 pm
by ousdahl
McALLEN, Texas -- The Biden administration announced they waived 26 federal laws in South Texas to allow border wall construction on Wednesday, marking the administration’s first use of a sweeping executive power employed often during the Trump presidency.
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The Clean Air Act, Safe Drinking Water Act and Endangered Species Act were some of the federal laws waived
https://apnews.com/article/border-wall- ... 242f21ceb2
Re: What happened to the immigration thread?
Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:12 pm
by DCHawk1
Overlander wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 6:39 pm
Fear, Fear Fear, Hate, Hate, Hate.
Feel good story at the end.
Pretty much sums up Democratic advisors to Democratic mayors.
FYP!
https://twitter.com/i/status/1708517111138529366
Re: What happened to the immigration thread?
Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:58 pm
by Overlander
Does nothing to change my assessment of right side media.
But, I appreciate the effort
Re: What happened to the immigration thread?
Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:51 am
by DCHawk1
Didn't intend to change your opinion of the right-side media, only to edify you in the hopes of enhancing your well-roundedness.
You're welcome.
Re: What happened to the immigration thread?
Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:52 am
by dolomite
Getting a new border czar couldn’t hurt.