Kansas Crimson

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:48 am yea

but that was before mjl dismissed an entire dialogue on "false premise" terms, then advanced his own narrative on premises like "capitalism gives more economic decision making to the people than any", that alternatives seem to assume people are not greedy and power-hungry, "Capitalism is the only system that can keep that in check at all." And, despite any real substantive explanation or examples (or exceptions) to these premises, they're all supposed to be taken as true. Like complex economic observations can be oversimplified to, and should be understood as, some true-or-false premises.

lulz

but let's try for honest dialogue here: if there are "rules," then why do capitalists rail so hard against them? you know, all the "JoB KiLlInG ReGuLaTiOnS" rhetoric.

and if "there is no such thing as pure capitalism," then why argue so doggedly in favor of capitalism?

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:48 am yea

but that was before mjl dismissed an entire dialogue on "false premise" terms, then advanced his own narrative on premises like "capitalism gives more economic decision making to the people than any", that alternatives seem to assume people are not greedy and power-hungry, "Capitalism is the only system that can keep that in check at all." And, despite any real substantive explanation or examples (or exceptions) to these premises, they're all supposed to be taken as true. Like complex economic observations can be oversimplified to, and should be understood as, some true-or-false premises.

lulz

but let's try for honest dialogue here: if there are "rules," then why do capitalists rail so hard against them? you know, all the "JoB KiLlInG ReGuLaTiOnS" rhetoric.

and if "there is no such thing as pure capitalism," then why argue so doggedly in favor of capitalism?

Mjl wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 11:58 am what the fuck is wrong with you?

Mjl wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 11:58 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:48 am yea

but that was before mjl dismissed an entire dialogue on "false premise" terms, then advanced his own narrative on premises like "capitalism gives more economic decision making to the people than any", that alternatives seem to assume people are not greedy and power-hungry, "Capitalism is the only system that can keep that in check at all." And, despite any real substantive explanation or examples (or exceptions) to these premises, they're all supposed to be taken as true. Like complex economic observations can be oversimplified to, and should be understood as, some true-or-false premises.

lulz

but let's try for honest dialogue here: if there are "rules," then why do capitalists rail so hard against them? you know, all the "JoB KiLlInG ReGuLaTiOnS" rhetoric.

and if "there is no such thing as pure capitalism," then why argue so doggedly in favor of capitalism?

.

You respond to an honest post with your mindless snark, and take people saying "ok" as a personal attack. What the fuck is wrong with you?

Mjl wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 12:20 pm It pisses me off because he doesn't even care if his points are true. It's about using rhetorical bullshit to try to confirm preconceived notions. Now I am convinced it's intentional. I thought before he was well intentioned, but I see that was wrong.

TDub wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 10:21 am what system do you want if you get rid of capitalism?

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 12:31 pm

Mjl wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 11:58 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:48 am yea

but that was before mjl dismissed an entire dialogue on "false premise" terms, then advanced his own narrative on premises like "capitalism gives more economic decision making to the people than any", that alternatives seem to assume people are not greedy and power-hungry, "Capitalism is the only system that can keep that in check at all." And, despite any real substantive explanation or examples (or exceptions) to these premises, they're all supposed to be taken as true. Like complex economic observations can be oversimplified to, and should be understood as, some true-or-false premises.

lulz

but let's try for honest dialogue here: if there are "rules," then why do capitalists rail so hard against them? you know, all the "JoB KiLlInG ReGuLaTiOnS" rhetoric.

and if "there is no such thing as pure capitalism," then why argue so doggedly in favor of capitalism?

.

You respond to an honest post with your mindless snark, and take people saying "ok" as a personal attack. What the fuck is wrong with you?

oh forgive me. I wasn't trying to be too snarky, nor mindless.

you realize I was just quoting your own words, right?

you're allowed to speak with authority on these matters (but not professors in the field), yet when those EXACT SAME WORDS are quoted by me, it's mindless snark.

but let's try to stick to the honest post, shall we? Could you provide any evidence or examples to support your insights?

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 12:44 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 10:21 am what system do you want if you get rid of capitalism?

just generally, I wish we could value a broader, less concentrated, more democratic distribution of power and decision-making in economic matters, just like we value so dearly in political matters.


hopefully that's a good enough elevator pitch of an answer for now.

TDub wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 12:51 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 12:44 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 10:21 am what system do you want if you get rid of capitalism?

just generally, I wish we could value a broader, less concentrated, more democratic distribution of power and decision-making in economic matters, just like we value so dearly in political matters.


hopefully that's a good enough elevator pitch of an answer for now.

thats not an answer.

TDub wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 12:51 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 12:44 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 10:21 am what system do you want if you get rid of capitalism?

just generally, I wish we could value a broader, less concentrated, more democratic distribution of power and decision-making in economic matters, just like we value so dearly in political matters.


hopefully that's a good enough elevator pitch of an answer for now.

thats not an answer.

Mjl wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 12:45 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 12:31 pm

Mjl wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 11:58 am
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You respond to an honest post with your mindless snark, and take people saying "ok" as a personal attack. What the fuck is wrong with you?

oh forgive me. I wasn't trying to be too snarky, nor mindless.

you realize I was just quoting your own words, right?

you're allowed to speak with authority on these matters (but not professors in the field), yet when those EXACT SAME WORDS are quoted by me, it's mindless snark.

but let's try to stick to the honest post, shall we? Could you provide any evidence or examples to support your insights?

I didn't mention the onion. More lies and rhetoric. Go fucking hang out with Lobster, you're the same

Mjl wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 12:54 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 12:51 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 12:44 pm

just generally, I wish we could value a broader, less concentrated, more democratic distribution of power and decision-making in economic matters, just like we value so dearly in political matters.


hopefully that's a good enough elevator pitch of an answer for now.

thats not an answer.

Not at all. Not worth it to even try, he literally admitted he doesn't even care if his crap is true

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 12:53 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 12:51 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 12:44 pm

just generally, I wish we could value a broader, less concentrated, more democratic distribution of power and decision-making in economic matters, just like we value so dearly in political matters.


hopefully that's a good enough elevator pitch of an answer for now.

thats not an answer.

and that IS an answer?