Kansas Crimson

pdub wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 6:41 am Yes we have.
Plenty of athletes before 2020 have collapsed playing a sport, many related to heart conditions.
Just stop.

randylahey wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 6:33 am Now there is a damar Hamlin conspiracy. I dont personally beleive this, but apparently there is a documentary called "died suddenly." I haven't seen it, but the idea is what happened to Hamlin has happened to others who have been vaccinated. Apparently there's several soccer players used as examples. Young healthy athletes who just mysteriously died suddenly

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:12 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 6:33 am Now there is a damar Hamlin conspiracy. I dont personally beleive this, but apparently there is a documentary called "died suddenly." I haven't seen it, but the idea is what happened to Hamlin has happened to others who have been vaccinated. Apparently there's several soccer players used as examples. Young healthy athletes who just mysteriously died suddenly

Here's an Olympic champion figure skater whose heart stopped in the middle of training in 1995. Likely not due to the covid vaccine: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm ... story.html

A marathon runner who died at the US Olympic trials: https://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/19/spor ... unner.html


Several athletes from various sports who experienced similar incidents:

https://www.insider.com/sports-stars-wh ... y-a-puck-3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_ca ... f_athletes

Just because you don't know of it happening doesn't mean that it hasn't happened.

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:28 pm It's the 'i'm not saying, but i'm just saying'.

You don't know for sure, which -- at it's very base non-applicable to trying to live in the real world -- is true. But you wouldn't be able to exist in that world.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:38 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:28 pm It's the 'i'm not saying, but i'm just saying'.

You don't know for sure, which -- at it's very base non-applicable to trying to live in the real world -- is true. But you wouldn't be able to exist in that world.

Yes. "Just asking the question," and so on.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:02 am Our banned friends continue to find productive uses of their time.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:00 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:02 am Our banned friends continue to find productive uses of their time.

Investigate vaccines?

Like performing multiple global clinical trials?

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:59 am The thing is, the information these people want is already available.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10 ... 122.059970

Here's what it shows....there is a slight increased risk of myocarditis/pericarditis following vaccination, but it's much lower than following a SARS-COV-2 infection. AND that mycarditis risk following infection from the virus actually goes down if you're vaccinated.

So, in the population if you set the likelihood of getting myocarditis to 1, you're likelihood of getting it after a vaccine increases 1.3 to 1.7 times depending on which dose it is. The increased likelihood of getting myocarditis following SARS-COV-2 infection increases more than 11 fold, however if you were vaccinated that increased likelihood drops to below 6.

So in real numbers. You expect something like 6 out of 1 million people to have myocarditis. Following vaccination you would get 2 or 3 additional cases of myocarditis per million. In the group of nonvaccinated people following infection you'd get an additional 35 cases of myocarditis. Following an infection in vaccinated individuals you'd expect an additional 23 cases.

So, the most likely cause of myocarditis is the virus, the vaccines increase the likelihood slightly, but actually reduce the chances of myocarditis following covid19. Also, the myocarditis associated with vaccination is mild, short in duration and treatable.

***This has NOTHING to do with Hamlin....there's no reason to think his issue was even related to myocarditis. This is just about the vaccines, the virus and their impact on the heart.

Also, people continue to monitor and do research on the effectiveness and effects of these vaccines. That's how we know about thrombocytopenia from the Jansen vaccine and myocarditis/pericarditis from all vaccines. I'm not sure that they can be anymore transparent than they have been.

Mjl wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:58 pm Yeah, and National Geographic is all about real nature and TLC is all about learning programs, and MTV is music television etc, etc....

You're insinuating Scientific American magazine is a representation of what people consider science?