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pdub wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:48 am My point is, if Suamataia is gone then you're probably reaching there.
Your Patrick Paul's, Rosengarten's, Goncalves's, Puni's, Coleman's are 3rd round guys and now we do not have a 3rd round pick.

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:52 am

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:48 am My point is, if Suamataia is gone then you're probably reaching there.
Your Patrick Paul's, Rosengarten's, Goncalves's, Puni's, Coleman's are 3rd round guys and now we do not have a 3rd round pick.

Our pick is the last pick of the 2nd round. Picking a 3rd rounder as the last pick of the 2nd round is only a "reach" if you're getting graded by a random mock draft generator. This is real life football now, where teams address their needs when they have the chance and don't sweat 1 spot.

JayhawkInIowa726 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 11:15 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:52 am

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:48 am My point is, if Suamataia is gone then you're probably reaching there.
Your Patrick Paul's, Rosengarten's, Goncalves's, Puni's, Coleman's are 3rd round guys and now we do not have a 3rd round pick.

Our pick is the last pick of the 2nd round. Picking a 3rd rounder as the last pick of the 2nd round is only a "reach" if you're getting graded by a random mock draft generator. This is real life football now, where teams address their needs when they have the chance and don't sweat 1 spot.

Couldn't agree more - it doesn't matter if it's a reach if Patrick Paul, etc. is a good player that fits what the Chiefs need. It's really not a reach to pick them if they wouldn't be there with your next pick. In an ideal world, would you trade back where you could grab the same player and pick up a pick or two? Sure, but in the end they'll take the highest rated player (maybe factoring in need) available and sleep easy no matter what Mel Kiper grades their picks at.

Do you think they're sweating the C- grade they got for drafting Mahomes?

Last bit - the guys on KCSN did a mock draft the other day and put Patrick Paul to the Chiefs at 32. You are saying he's a third rounder. It just shows the range of opinions on a player that taking him last in the second round probably isn't that big of a reach.

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:52 am

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:48 am My point is, if Suamataia is gone then you're probably reaching there.
Your Patrick Paul's, Rosengarten's, Goncalves's, Puni's, Coleman's are 3rd round guys and now we do not have a 3rd round pick.

Our pick is the last pick of the 2nd round. Picking a 3rd rounder as the last pick of the 2nd round is only a "reach" if you're getting graded by a random mock draft generator. This is real life football now, where teams address their needs when they have the chance and don't sweat 1 spot.

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 1:26 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:52 am

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:48 am My point is, if Suamataia is gone then you're probably reaching there.
Your Patrick Paul's, Rosengarten's, Goncalves's, Puni's, Coleman's are 3rd round guys and now we do not have a 3rd round pick.

Our pick is the last pick of the 2nd round. Picking a 3rd rounder as the last pick of the 2nd round is only a "reach" if you're getting graded by a random mock draft generator. This is real life football now, where teams address their needs when they have the chance and don't sweat 1 spot.

I guess? But then you're wasting value.
Real life football very much includes a careful and analytical process to the value of your draft picks.
And the jump from pick 95 to 130 or whatever is very significant.

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 1:32 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 1:26 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:52 am
Our pick is the last pick of the 2nd round. Picking a 3rd rounder as the last pick of the 2nd round is only a "reach" if you're getting graded by a random mock draft generator. This is real life football now, where teams address their needs when they have the chance and don't sweat 1 spot.

I guess? But then you're wasting value.
Real life football very much includes a careful and analytical process to the value of your draft picks.
And the jump from pick 95 to 130 or whatever is very significant.

"Wasting value" is a hypothetical that maters more to fan mock drafts than to an actual NFL team. Sure it's great to get perceived "value" but it is not as important as getting players you rank as your top targets at positions of need. Fans are a lot more cavalier with the whole "you could have just taken this other guy" than an NFL team is because fans just see them more as a ranking number than a player who the team has interviewed and assigned a desirability ranking to their scheme, roster and coaching staff,

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 1:45 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 1:32 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 1:26 pm I guess? But then you're wasting value.
Real life football very much includes a careful and analytical process to the value of your draft picks.
And the jump from pick 95 to 130 or whatever is very significant.

"Wasting value" is a hypothetical that maters more to fan mock drafts than to an actual NFL team. Sure it's great to get perceived "value" but it is not as important as getting players you rank as your top targets at positions of need. Fans are a lot more cavalier with the whole "you could have just taken this other guy" than an NFL team is because fans just see them more as a ranking number than a player who the team has interviewed and assigned a desirability ranking to their scheme, roster and coaching staff,

Fine but our team would have DK Metcalf, Trevon Diggs, Logan Wilson, DeAndre Hopkins, Orlando Brown ( or a 3rd round pick so let's say Devon Achane if the pick was mid 3rd ), Luke Godekeke and Jordan Battle on it right now instead of Mecole Hardman ( gone ), CEH, Willie Gay ( gone ), Jawaan Taylor, Wanya Morris and Skyy Moore in my hypothetical where I was upset with overreach picks and bad signings.

Of note, I really liked our 2022 draft ( and was on record here saying it several times ) so I'm not bitching for picks we trade up for that I like...but when you trade away a chance to get a guy on your draft bored that is ranked higher than the dude you may end up getting all because you think there's a chance ( and it was low ) that your 170 lb WR that no one was actually gonna draft before your pick is taken, well, I get to bitch on a message bored in a thread directly about the Chiefs offseason.

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 1:45 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 1:32 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 1:26 pm

I guess? But then you're wasting value.
Real life football very much includes a careful and analytical process to the value of your draft picks.
And the jump from pick 95 to 130 or whatever is very significant.

"Wasting value" is a hypothetical that maters more to fan mock drafts than to an actual NFL team. Sure it's great to get perceived "value" but it is not as important as getting players you rank as your top targets at positions of need. Fans are a lot more cavalier with the whole "you could have just taken this other guy" than an NFL team is because fans just see them more as a ranking number than a player who the team has interviewed and assigned a desirability ranking to their scheme, roster and coaching staff,

Fine but our team would have DK Metcalf, Trevon Diggs, Logan Wilson, DeAndre Hopkins, Orlando Brown ( or a 3rd round pick so let's say Devon Achane if the pick was mid 3rd ), Luke Godekeke and Jordan Battle on it right now instead of Mecole Hardman ( gone ), CEH, Willie Gay ( gone ), Jawaan Taylor, Wanya Morris and Skyy Moore in my hypothetical where I was upset with overreach picks and bad signings.

Of note, I really liked our 2022 draft ( and was on record here saying it several times ) so I'm not bitching for picks we trade up for that I like...but when you trade away a chance to get a guy on your draft bored that is ranked higher than the dude you may end up getting all because you think there's a chance ( and it was low ) that your 170 lb WR that no one was actually gonna draft before your pick is taken, well, I get to bitch on a message bored in a thread directly about the Chiefs offseason.

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 3:35 pm Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Found more receipts for you.

Sparko wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:33 pm My pet peeve here with Veach is that the Chiefs need guys. Giving up hidden gems for one guy is a good way to lose the crap shoot.