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PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:01 am

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 10:50 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 10:45 am

Yeah, but all the early evidence is that all the approved vaccines still offer protection against the mutant strains.

And the B.1.176 strain that is causing the most problems in India has been found in many countries, including the US, and they aren't having near the issues. The vaccines work and they appear to still work against all the more infectious mutant strains as well.

i thought i read that there is an India-specific “triple mutant”? no?

and, in some cases (don’t recall whether it’s strain or vaccine-dependent) there is reduced efficacy of the vaccines

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01274-7

In just a few weeks, the B.1.617 variant has become the dominant strain across India and has spread to about 40 nations, including the United Kingdom, Fiji and Singapore.

IDPH Confirms B.1.617 Variant Strain in Iowa

https://idph.iowa.gov/News/ArtMID/646/A ... in-in-Iowa

From the Nature article:

Two weeks ago, it looked as if multiple variants were behind a series of surges in India. Genomic data indicated that B.1.1.7, first identified in the United Kingdom, was dominant in Delhi and the state of Punjab, and a new variant dubbed B.1.618 was present in West Bengal. B.1.617 was dominant in Maharashtra.

But since then, B.1.617 has overtaken B.1.618 in West Bengal, has become the leading variant in many states, and is increasing rapidly in Delhi. “In some states, the surge can be tied to 617,” Sujeet Singh, director of the National Centre for Disease Control, based in New Delhi, told journalists on 5 May.

the P.1 variant, which is able to evade some immunity, contributed to a major second wave in Brazil early this year.

In a detailed genomic and structural analysis of B.1.617 published as a preprint1 on 3 May, NIV scientists identified eight mutations in the virus’s spike protein, through which it gains entry to cells. Two of them look similar to mutations that have allowed other variants of concern to become more transmissible, and a third resembles a mutation that may have allowed P.1 to partially evade immunity.

Similarly, the German team tested2 serum from 15 people who had previously been infected with SARS-CoV-2, and found that their antibodies neutralized B.1.617 about 50% less effectively than previously circulating strains. When they tested serum from participants who’d had two shots of the Pfizer vaccine, they found that the antibodies were about 67% less potent against B.1.617.

Two other small studies, one from Yadav’s team5 testing the Covaxin vaccine made by Indian firm Bharat Biotech in Hyderabad, and an as-yet-unpublished study on Covishield, showed that the vaccines continue to work. But Yadav observed small drops in the effectiveness of neutralizing antibodies generated by the Covaxin vaccine.

Here's why I'm not yet worried:

Scientists also warn that experiments in serum are not always a good guide to whether a variant can evade immunity from a vaccine in the real world. Vaccines can cause the production of vast quantities of antibodies, so a dip in potency might not be significant. Furthermore, other parts of the immune system, such as T cells, may not be affected.

For example, the B.1.351 variant has been linked to much steeper drops in the potency of neutralizing antibodies, but studies in humans suggest that many vaccines remain highly effective against that variant, particularly at preventing severe disease.

For these reasons, the vaccines are likely to remain effective against B.1.617 and to limit severe disease. “The vaccine is still working,” says Yadav. “If you get vaccinated, you “will be protected, and the severity will be less”.

italicizing and bolding are mine.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 2:39 pm 99.75% of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 between Jan. 1 and April 13 were not fully vaccinated

https://www.axios.com/study-hospitalize ... 00a15.html

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 2:39 pm 99.75% of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 between Jan. 1 and April 13 were not fully vaccinated

https://www.axios.com/study-hospitalize ... 00a15.html

Walrus wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:02 pm Another interesting one.

57 Top Scientists And Doctors Release Shocking Study On COVID Vaccines And Demand Immediate Stop to ALL Vaccinations

https://en-volve.com/2021/05/08/57-top- ... cinations/

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 2:54 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 2:39 pm 99.75% of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 between Jan. 1 and April 13 were not fully vaccinated

https://www.axios.com/study-hospitalize ... 00a15.html

Lobster Headline: THOUSANDS WORLDWIDE HOSPITALIZED AFTER RECEIVING EXPERIMENTAL VACCINE

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:33 pm Traddie clicked on a lobby-link

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:30 pm

Walrus wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:02 pm Another interesting one.

57 Top Scientists And Doctors Release Shocking Study On COVID Vaccines And Demand Immediate Stop to ALL Vaccinations

https://en-volve.com/2021/05/08/57-top- ... cinations/

did you even read the link?

there is no “study” that they released

they brought up concerns that they recommend be monitored...that’s about it

there is zero science in your link or the UNPUBLISHED “paper” they cite...it’s literally all opinion. and it’s not even the opinions of “top” scientists and doctors

i mean...seriously, just try and find their paper anywhere other than right-wing bunk websites. there is no citation or specific journal reference.

Walrus wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:39 pm PhD's philosophy: No one has died from the covid vaccines, despite the fact we have verified confirmations of this. Aka, he denies reality because it doesn't fit with his desired outcome.

Walrus wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:48 pm Well, let's look at the J&J then. Of course the real numbers are much higher. The news is going to downplay anything that makes the vaccine look dangerous.

Yahoo:

" So far, three of the 28 have died. Previously, as of April 25, the CDC had reported 17 cases of clotting among nearly 8 million people given vaccines"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-cdc-says-i ... 15314.html

I'll add that in 1976 the US government stopped the swine flu vaccination after 55 people died. There were 47 million who took it. They stopped it because it was "dangerous." These covid vaccines are far more dangerous than the swine flu vaccine back then, so why are they still allowing them? The answer: $$$.