Kansas Crimson

So, that's 3 deaths, vs. hundreds of thousands of lives saved.

It's >95% effective at protecting you from the virus, If you get it, it's >97% effective at you not going to the hospital, and 99% effective at reducing the risk of death.

8 million people received the J&J vaccine, 3 have died with a possible connection. If 8 million people had gotten the virus, with the current fatality rate in the US, that would have been 140,000 additional deaths.

It's still safer to take the most dangerous vaccine than it is to risk getting the virus. (Keep in mind, the people who developed the blood clots also had co-morbidities, such as obesity, that contributed to their death).

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 4:00 pm So, that's 3 deaths, vs. hundreds of thousands of lives saved.

It's >95% effective at protecting you from the virus, If you get it, it's >97% effective at you not going to the hospital, and 99% effective at reducing the risk of death.

8 million people received the J&J vaccine, 3 have died with a possible connection. If 8 million people had gotten the virus, with the current fatality rate in the US, that would have been 140,000 additional deaths.

It's still safer to take the most dangerous vaccine than it is to risk getting the virus. (Keep in mind, the people who developed the blood clots also had co-morbidities, such as obesity, that contributed to their death).

OK wise guy, you just earned yourself a youtube spanking….

I would think that the blood clotting rate for unvaccinated people let alone the general population is higher than those people that are vaccinated.

Hell, your risk for clots raises substantially if you take a flight over a couple of hours. Ban planes, the airline industry is trying to kill you for profits!

I know what happens when the world population is exposed to COVID-19.

Walrus wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:48 pm

I'll add that in 1976 the US government stopped the swine flu vaccination after 55 people died. There were 47 million who took it. They stopped it because it was "dangerous." These covid vaccines are far more dangerous than the swine flu vaccine back then, so why are they still allowing them? The answer: $$$.

The 1976 Swine flu outbreak resulted in 13 hospitalizations and 1 death.

The Covid pandemic has resulted in 3.3 million deaths globally and almost 600,000 in the US.

You're not even being serious with this are you?!?!??!?!?!?

AND...your math is wrong. The rate of death, using your numbers, from the 1976 incident was 0.0001%. Whereas, again using your numbers, the death rate from the J&J vaccine is 0.00003%.

So, it's safer and it's being used to combat a global pandemic, not an outbreak of 13 hospitalizations.

mRNA vaccines were used because they're SAFER than traditional vaccines.

Neither the J&J, nor the Astrazenica vaccine are mRNA based. Both use an adenovirus delivery system.

Lobster isn't even arguing using facts.

I can't take some seriously if they tell me that no one has died from the covid vaccines, but then I send them proof and they still deny it.

I can't take some seriously if they tell me that mRNA vaccines aren't safe because of issues with adenovirus based vaccines.

Or who can't admit that 3.3 million is a bigger number than 4

Or who can't understand the difference between a global pandemic that is ongoing and already killed 3.3 million people and a regional virus outbreak that killed one person.

Or someone who sees data that the virus is >95% effective at preventing the virus, and still says it's not good.

Or someone who sees data that 99.7% of hospitalized patients are not vaccinated and still argues that the vaccine isn't effective.

Or who doesn't understand that both vaccinated and unvaccinated people die of weird unknown reasons every day.

Or who won't admit, that even if there are 4 deaths caused by the vaccines, that after 1,350,000,000 shots have been given, that's still very very safe.

Or that while those 4 deaths are sad, there will be MILLIONS of lives saved by these vaccines.

Walrus wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 4:12 pm I can't take some seriously if they tell me that no one has died from the covid vaccines, but then I send them proof and they still deny it.

NOBODY here is saying that

fucking liar

but, if that’s all you’ve got...

It is like a summary judgment motion, even assuming plaintiff's highly suspect facts are true (the 4 deaths), they still can't prove what they are claiming.

If we're going to apply the logic of "natural causes" to the vaccine deaths, then we have to apply that same logic to the covid deaths. We all know people died from covid, and from the vaccines.

He doesn't even know which letters in mRNA get capitalized, let alone what mRNA is, or how it works and which don't but he's convinced they're dangerous.

He's grasping at straws to keep trolling. It's pathetic and sad.

Walrus wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 4:23 pm If we're going to apply the logic of "natural causes" to the vaccine deaths, then we have to apply that same logic to the covid deaths. We all know people died from covid, and from the vaccines.

No.

NO I don't know anyone who has died from the vaccine. I don't know of anyone personally who's had anything other than the commonly reported side effects from the vaccine.

I might kill myself after reading Lobster's logic regarding death as a vaccine side effect. Not sure how that should be categorized.

Lobbie hasn't had his arse handed to him this badly since he tried to school Japhy on structural engineering.

The risk of developing a rare brain clot from Covid-19 is about eight times greater than from the AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine, according to a new study.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/scie ... 31876.html

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:28 am The risk of developing a rare brain clot from Covid-19 is about eight times greater than from the AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine, according to a new study.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/scie ... 31876.html

But, you’re completely glossing over the slow-onset-natural-causes death rate of those who get the shot.

Did you know that people who get the shot are MORE likely to die of natural causes than those who don’t?

This is what the media won’t tell you.

If you want a return to normal, it's pretty clear what needs to happen and it is right there for the taking.

The last 15 months have not given me the warm-and-fuzzies about however it is we teach algebra.

our education system is broken, just ask lobs

(or better yet, just look at his reasoning and logic skills as evidence)