Kansas Crimson

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:30 am I am not bothered that Kj Adams can do a Raisin' Cane's commercial.

I am not bothered that people can transfer freely year to year. I don't see why them sitting out for a year makes it any more tolerable? Because they get what is viewed as "punished"?

I think the kids who are transferring non stop are making mistakes in many instances. I'm not a fan of it, personally. I think in some instances they'd be better served staying put. But that's their choice to make and they should be allowed to make it.

We aren't forced to recruit any of those types of players. Bill Self gets paid a ridiculous amount of money to make those decisions. He is paid to identify the players who are willing to play whatever role he ends up giving that player. If the roster turnover becomes a problem, which it has been recently, then I blame him.

I don't think these players should be handcuffed to the schools. The schools certainly aren't handcuffed to the players.

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:30 am

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:23 am

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 9:12 am none of anything that has happened in the past 4 or 5 years is good for the college game.

The players disagree.

Not the players who now have a much higher chance of getting forced out.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:51 am If a player wants lower stakes, lower pressure, lower benefits and less competition, the player can choose a lower level of hoop.

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:53 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:51 am If a player wants lower stakes, lower pressure, lower benefits and less competition, the player can choose a lower level of hoop.

An original argument on this thread about those who wanted to play college ball instead of pro.

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:30 am I am not bothered that Kj Adams can do a Raisin' Cane's commercial.

I am not bothered that people can transfer freely year to year. I don't see why them sitting out for a year makes it any more tolerable? Because they get what is viewed as "punished"?

I think the kids who are transferring non stop are making mistakes in many instances. I'm not a fan of it, personally. I think in some instances they'd be better served staying put. But that's their choice to make and they should be allowed to make it.

We aren't forced to recruit any of those types of players. Bill Self gets paid a ridiculous amount of money to make those decisions. He is paid to identify the players who are willing to play whatever role he ends up giving that player. If the roster turnover becomes a problem, which it has been recently, then I blame him.

I don't think these players should be handcuffed to the schools. The schools certainly aren't handcuffed to the players.

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:53 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:51 am If a player wants lower stakes, lower pressure, lower benefits and less competition, the player can choose a lower level of hoop.

An original argument on this thread about those who wanted to play college ball instead of pro.

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:05 am

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:30 am I am not bothered that Kj Adams can do a Raisin' Cane's commercial.

I am not bothered that people can transfer freely year to year. I don't see why them sitting out for a year makes it any more tolerable? Because they get what is viewed as "punished"?

I think the kids who are transferring non stop are making mistakes in many instances. I'm not a fan of it, personally. I think in some instances they'd be better served staying put. But that's their choice to make and they should be allowed to make it.

We aren't forced to recruit any of those types of players. Bill Self gets paid a ridiculous amount of money to make those decisions. He is paid to identify the players who are willing to play whatever role he ends up giving that player. If the roster turnover becomes a problem, which it has been recently, then I blame him.

I don't think these players should be handcuffed to the schools. The schools certainly aren't handcuffed to the players.

but why should they be allowed to make the choice to transfer every year?

playing college ball is a privilege, not a right. if changing the transfer rules led to more continuity and strength of rosters, which i think it would, i’d be all for it

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:05 am
but why should they be allowed to make the choice to transfer every year?

playing college ball is a privilege, not a right. if changing the transfer rules led to more continuity and strength of rosters, which i think it would, i’d be all for it

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:21 am No one had guns to these players' heads MAKING them play college basketball

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:38 am

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:21 am No one had guns to these players' heads MAKING them play college basketball

And nobody is forcing anyone to take transfers they don't want or pay NIL money to players that they don't want to.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:19 am I would like less player movement than we're seeing right now. There is a middle ground to be found between the two poles (being universal one-year sit-out, on one hand, and unlimited instant transfers, on the other).

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:40 am at what other high level of competition, can the players come and go freely as they choose? i cannot think of one.

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:21 am No one had guns to these players' heads MAKING them play college basketball without making 500k a year either -- unless you were on team JFish and CnB where it sure felt like the poor college athlete had no other choice but to sadly become, how'd you put it, an indentured servant, and just get by on a free education, room/board, access to coaching, trainers, tutors, meal plans, travel, media coverage, stipends, gear etc.

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:44 am

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:40 am at what other high level of competition, can the players come and go freely as they choose? i cannot think of one.

Every single one where the athletes aren't under contracts I would guess?

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:34 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:05 am
but why should they be allowed to make the choice to transfer every year?

playing college ball is a privilege, not a right. if changing the transfer rules led to more continuity and strength of rosters, which i think it would, i’d be all for it

I guess for me, it starts with why shouldn't they be allowed to?

Playing CBB is a privilege. Totally agree. These other schools want these players and are affording them the privilege to play CBB on their team. Why shouldn't they be allowed to do so?

I don't get why a player should be punished by having to sit out a years worth of games if they go somewhere and don't like it and want to leave. Making them sit out doesn't make me feel better about any of it. It does nobody any good. Players shouldn't be forced to stay somewhere they don't want to be (or aren't wanted), just as coaches aren't forced to stay places and schools have the option to renew scholarships yearly.

I 1000% agree it makes college basketball weird and lose "what it was". I am right there on board with all of you on that.

I just think "strength of rosters" or "ease of roster building" should not take priority over what is best for the players and what they want.


Until the schools are paying them and signing contracts nobody should be forced to stay anywhere, imo.

And my preference is that the schools never pay the players (not directly, since it's donor dollars that otherwise would have gone to the mens basketball department, i get how some feel that's indirectly).

I don't care where donor dollars go. Couldn't care less if instead of remodeling players dorms every 2 years that money instead results in players driving nice cars and having whatever kids spend money on (clothes, jewelry, entertainment and drugs/alcohol I presume?).

Let the basketball bluechips rent mansions off campus and get rid of the ridiculous basketball living facility. Or let actual students who are also athletes who aren't making money live there.