Kansas Crimson

InfiniteJ wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:48 am Saw something today that said the B1G bylaws require it's members to have a minimum amount of sports programs for both men and women and that as of now, KU would be short and might have to be creative in the near future to drum up some new sports programs. Also, Iowa St has even less programs than KU.

InfiniteJ wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:48 am Saw something today that said the B1G bylaws require it's members to have a minimum amount of sports programs for both men and women and that as of now, KU would be short and might have to be creative in the near future to drum up some new sports programs. Also, Iowa St has even less programs than KU.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:45 am

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:43 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:36 am I tend to think that, in terms of the relevance of our selling points, it goes something like this:

1 - KC media market
2 - Potential for (and recent history of) an at-least-representative football program
3 - Basketball

[enormous gap]

4 - Everything else (including AAU)

Are media markets really a thing anymore. With the streaming capabilities now, don't think households matter as much as they did 10 years ago.

I don't think you're wrong in concept, but the B1G still adds a ton of new eyeballs/screens by adding what is generally thought of as the KC media market (which, as has been well-noted, punches way above its weight in college sports).

InfiniteJ wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:48 am Saw something today that said the B1G bylaws require it's members to have a minimum amount of sports programs for both men and women and that as of now, KU would be short and might have to be creative in the near future to drum up some new sports programs. Also, Iowa St has even less programs than KU.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:48 am obviously, EVERYONE is speculating, but...

numerous talking heads have stated that non-AAU status this time around is a non-starter (mainly because B1G doesn’t feel they actually have to expand at all)...obviously, time will tell

numerous talking heads have also notably downplayed the tv market angle because of the landscape change with streaming and a la carte programming

“Brand” and “Image” seem to be constants as far as perceived value of schools to be added to one conference or another

it’s hilarious to me, jfish, that you’d put KU’s football product above it’s AAU status

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:46 am It's also a conference affiliation for athletic purposes.

Nebraska is not AAU. Neither is Notre Dame.

I don't see it as a factor at all. I'd just rather have it than not.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:52 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:46 am It's also a conference affiliation for athletic purposes.

Nebraska is not AAU. Neither is Notre Dame.

I don't see it as a factor at all. I'd just rather have it than not.

the nubs list their AAU status right when they joined...it definitely mattered. member schools actually wanted to vote them out once they lost it

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:51 am

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:48 am obviously, EVERYONE is speculating, but...

numerous talking heads have stated that non-AAU status this time around is a non-starter (mainly because B1G doesn’t feel they actually have to expand at all)...obviously, time will tell

numerous talking heads have also notably downplayed the tv market angle because of the landscape change with streaming and a la carte programming

“Brand” and “Image” seem to be constants as far as perceived value of schools to be added to one conference or another

it’s hilarious to me, jfish, that you’d put KU’s football product above it’s AAU status

This is almost entirely about football. Even bad football is football. Like, Villanova would be a better candidate than us in a big number of ways, but they're not even on the goddamned radar for any of this.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:55 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:51 am

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:48 am obviously, EVERYONE is speculating, but...

numerous talking heads have stated that non-AAU status this time around is a non-starter (mainly because B1G doesn’t feel they actually have to expand at all)...obviously, time will tell

numerous talking heads have also notably downplayed the tv market angle because of the landscape change with streaming and a la carte programming

“Brand” and “Image” seem to be constants as far as perceived value of schools to be added to one conference or another

it’s hilarious to me, jfish, that you’d put KU’s football product above it’s AAU status

This is almost entirely about football. Even bad football is football. Like, Villanova would be a better candidate than us in a big number of ways, but they're not even on the goddamned radar for any of this.

if you’re right, then KU will be the premier program in the new AAC, MWC, or whatever new 2nd tier conference that results from mergers

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:54 am

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:52 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:46 am It's also a conference affiliation for athletic purposes.

Nebraska is not AAU. Neither is Notre Dame.

I don't see it as a factor at all. I'd just rather have it than not.

the nubs list their AAU status right when they joined...it definitely mattered. member schools actually wanted to vote them out once they lost it

But football matters more for a vote to even happen.

Again, I'd rather have it than not, but there are dozens of AAU schools not on the B1G's radar. And B1G is (possibly) interested in KU over Kansas State almost entirely for reasons that have nothing to do with AAU.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:03 am Kansas football has sucked recently, but over our history we've had periods of being a solid program....and our fanbase will support the team if we can be even remotely competitive.

We can turn this football thing around!

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:58 am

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:55 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:51 am

This is almost entirely about football. Even bad football is football. Like, Villanova would be a better candidate than us in a big number of ways, but they're not even on the goddamned radar for any of this.

if you’re right, then KU will be the premier program in the new AAC, MWC, or whatever new 2nd tier conference that results from mergers

I don't follow - I think that's what happens if I'm wrong, and having *a* football team isn't enough to get us into a superconference, even with our other strong selling points.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:05 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:03 am Kansas football has sucked recently, but over our history we've had periods of being a solid program....and our fanbase will support the team if we can be even remotely competitive.

We can turn this football thing around!

I’m just wondering how much the quality really even matters. I suspect it’s less than we think.