Kansas Crimson

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:43 am is ordering someone to get out of their car even a lawful order?

could there be some irony in that maybe the dood was afraid to get out of the car precisely out of fear of police brutality?

say he did get out of his car. What then? Were cops gonna arrest him? What for?

but, what I'll imagine will happen is we'll get some "but he had weed in his system," which will be offered as carte blanche justification for busting in windows and blasting.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:58 am did he start to hold the knife before, during, or after the cops started busting windows and such? I thought I also saw that at some point a knife was sitting on his lap, and as soon as cops pointed weapons at him, he threw the knife on the floor of the other side of the car.

What's the protocol for an individual who offers to disarm himself? Why shouldn't cops take anyone up on that every single time it's offered? Why wouldn't they? (again, it's either some lack of perceived threat, or some "make my day" fetish, right?

I know civilians are expected to comply regardless, but it's also not a stretch to wonder if the police escalation triggered some sort of self-defense instinct. It's a dumb thought, but then again, if you were scared in your car and cops start busting in your windows, who knows how you would react.

"trained cops are allowed to panic, yet untrained civilians are expected to remain calm with a gun in their face"

Could any sort of castle doctrine apply here? I don't think so, but. If the dude was in his own house, can cops lawfully order him to come out? Or lawfully start blasting through the windows?

NICHOLASVILLE, Ky. (LEX 18) — The Nicholasville Police Department is responding after the family of 22-year-old Desman LaDuke spoke out about his death over the weekend and criticized how the situation was handled.

Kentucky State Police say on Saturday afternoon, Nicholasville police responded to a suicidal subject at a home on Green Street and were "confronted by an armed individual." In a statement released Thursday, Nicholasville police say the department activated its special response team and crisis negotiation team, which consists of two negotiators who are specially trained in working with people with mental health issues.

According to KSP, LaDuke was taken to a local hospital and later died from his injuries. Police did not specify what action was taken that led up to and resulted in LaDuke's death.

In a statement released Tuesday by LaDuke's family, they say much of what has been said is "false" and say the police haven't done anything to correct it.

"Desman was alone in his home and inside his bedroom when he was shot, through the bedroom window, by a police officer positioned outside the home," the family statement reads. "Any suggestion that officers made entry into Desman's home, were threated [sic] inside the home by Desman, and shot Desman from inside the home, are false.

According to LaDuke's family, they said his mother arrived on the scene and begged officers to go into the home to talk to him. They claim the request was denied and said she was warned she would be tackled if she tried to go and talk with her son. The family says after an hour and a half, while LaDuke was inside the home by himself, an officer shot through his bedroom window and the bullet hit him in the chest.

"We are devastated. Confused. Angry. Frustrated. Heartbroken. And struggling," the family statement reads in part. "Since Saturday, nobody from the police department has come to express condolences. Nobody has given us any answers as to why they took Desman's life. Desman needed help. He did not harm anyone. He was alone in his home. Nine rifles being pointed at his doors and windows by officers in tactical gear did not do anything to defuse what was an obvious mental health crisis. A tactical kill shot through a window and into Desman's chest was not the solution."

Nicholasville police don't dispute the claims made by the family in their recent statement.