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Re: Another mass shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:03 am
by randylahey
ousdahl wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:21 am Well to be fair, Qusdahl wants to reintroduce more wolves too.
Colorado has done it lately. Kansas should too. Wolves once called the prairie home

Re: Another mass shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:19 am
by jfish26
randylahey wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:17 pm It's a tool humans have used for centuries. But mass shootings are a newer product
This post illuminates one of your many defects on this subject.

You fail to grasp that this isn't 1791. We don't burn witches at the stake, we don't use leeches as medical treatment. We have indoor plumbing. We have made trains into rollercoasters for our motherfucking enjoyment.

We do not need armed protection from the government. No matter HOW horny you are for that not to be true, it simply is true.

And the single most obvious way for it to BECOME true, sadly, is if regurgitating morons convince enough hungry morons that what is true is not true, and we give the keys to our country to those who would, for example, institutionalize trans people.

Re: Another mass shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:20 am
by pdub
randylahey wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:43 am We sent a whole bunch of AR15s to ukraine. They were pretty useful tools there huh? I know you guys all supported aiding ukraine
viewtopic.php?t=4922

HEY!
Let's compare the average citizen in the United States to soldiers fighting an invader in a war ravaged country.

Re: Another mass shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:27 am
by randylahey
jfish26 wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:19 am
randylahey wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:17 pm It's a tool humans have used for centuries. But mass shootings are a newer product
This post illuminates one of your many defects on this subject.

You fail to grasp that this isn't 1791. We don't burn witches at the stake, we don't use leeches as medical treatment. We have indoor plumbing. We have made trains into rollercoasters for our motherfucking enjoyment.

We do not need armed protection from the government. No matter HOW horny you are for that not to be true, it simply is true.

And the single most obvious way for it to BECOME true, sadly, is if regurgitating morons convince enough hungry morons that what is true is not true, and we give the keys to our country to those who would, for example, institutionalize trans people.
The citizens of Ukraine literally just needed ar15s to protect themselves from an invading government

Re: Another mass shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:30 am
by jfish26
randylahey wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:27 am
jfish26 wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:19 am
randylahey wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:17 pm It's a tool humans have used for centuries. But mass shootings are a newer product
This post illuminates one of your many defects on this subject.

You fail to grasp that this isn't 1791. We don't burn witches at the stake, we don't use leeches as medical treatment. We have indoor plumbing. We have made trains into rollercoasters for our motherfucking enjoyment.

We do not need armed protection from the government. No matter HOW horny you are for that not to be true, it simply is true.

And the single most obvious way for it to BECOME true, sadly, is if regurgitating morons convince enough hungry morons that what is true is not true, and we give the keys to our country to those who would, for example, institutionalize trans people.
The citizens of Ukraine literally just needed ar15s to protect themselves from an invading government
Similar (sort of) to how 2024 is not 1791, America is not Ukraine, and Canada is not Russia.

This is basic stuff.

Re: Another mass shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:34 am
by pdub
Being concerned whether our citizens having assault rifles would help stop an invasion would be similar to being concerned if Dillon Wilhite was ready to start in the NCAA tournament if we needed him.

If we need Dillon Wilhite in a big game, we're probably already fucked.

Re: Another mass shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:38 am
by Overlander
randylahey wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 5:21 am
Overlander wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 12:33 am
randylahey wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 12:23 am Morphine is pretty good shit

But you're sidestepping. Your fentanyl analogy was terrible and has nothing to do with guns or knives
No, pretty spot on actually.

You literally can swap up the bad thing and it works every time.

“Mountain Lions are killing more people than ever.”
“Well, looks like we need more mountain lions!”

See?
Nurturing environments.
Pipe dream

Re: Another mass shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:44 am
by ousdahl
randylahey wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:43 am We sent a whole bunch of AR15s to ukraine. They were pretty useful tools there huh? I know you guys all supported aiding ukraine
There’s an ironic parallel - for there, like here, and for that matter all the other parts of the world we’ve flooded with weapons…

the weapons are difficult to account for, for all we know may end up in the wrong hands*, and aren’t necessarily being used, or used effectively, in the “good guy” sort of way the rhetoric suggests.


But I know I’ve said too much, and prob gonna regret this post.













*have we ever even confirmed precisely who gave all those weapons to Hamas?

Re: Another mass shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:44 am
by ousdahl
randylahey wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:03 am
ousdahl wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:21 am Well to be fair, Qusdahl wants to reintroduce more wolves too.
Colorado has done it lately. Kansas should too. Wolves once called the prairie home
Among right-leaning thinkers, you are among an incredibly small minority in suggesting so.

Re: Another mass shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:45 am
by jfish26
pdub wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:34 am Being concerned whether our citizens having assault rifles would help stop an invasion would be similar to being concerned if Dillon Wilhite was ready to start in the NCAA tournament if we needed him.

If we need Dillon Wilhite in a big game, we're probably already fucked.
Randy's going to tell you that was a tangent, and he's going to come back to needing to be armed for protection against our own government.

Of course, the Randies of the world have eagerly ensured that any horny local police department has ample access to the sort of equipment and materiel that would make the guns in my or anyone's safe absolutely meaningless.

The fundamental problem Randy cannot solve is that people keep demonstrating, over and over and over and over, that we as a society cannot be trusted with assault rifles. They simply allow ONE bad guy to do WAY TOO MUCH harm, harm that is self-evidently NOT prevented by any number of good guys with any number of guns, and harm that is self-evidently NOT limited to "thugs" or "bad guys" or "self-defense" or what the hell ever.

And unfortunately, the way a society works is that we all suffer limitations on our personal freedoms when enough of us demonstrate that we are incapable of being trusted to the full extent of those freedoms.

Re: Another mass shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:56 am
by randylahey
ousdahl wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:44 am
randylahey wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:03 am
ousdahl wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:21 am Well to be fair, Qusdahl wants to reintroduce more wolves too.
Colorado has done it lately. Kansas should too. Wolves once called the prairie home
Among right-leaning thinkers, you are among an incredibly small minority in suggesting so.
I convinced a rancher to stop removing (killing) the beavers that kept trying to establish along the stream that cuts through his property, and since his land has flourished over the past decade

He was convinced they "destroyed deer habitat" which in fact was the exact opposite. Since then it's been deeper streams, a couple small ponds developing behind dams, reforestation, and better hunting.

Not nearly as right leaning as some of you make me out to be

Re: Another mass shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:57 am
by randylahey
jfish26 wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:45 am
pdub wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:34 am Being concerned whether our citizens having assault rifles would help stop an invasion would be similar to being concerned if Dillon Wilhite was ready to start in the NCAA tournament if we needed him.

If we need Dillon Wilhite in a big game, we're probably already fucked.
Randy's going to tell you that was a tangent, and he's going to come back to needing to be armed for protection against our own government.

Of course, the Randies of the world have eagerly ensured that any horny local police department has ample access to the sort of equipment and materiel that would make the guns in my or anyone's safe absolutely meaningless.

The fundamental problem Randy cannot solve is that people keep demonstrating, over and over and over and over, that we as a society cannot be trusted with assault rifles. They simply allow ONE bad guy to do WAY TOO MUCH harm, harm that is self-evidently NOT prevented by any number of good guys with any number of guns, and harm that is self-evidently NOT limited to "thugs" or "bad guys" or "self-defense" or what the hell ever.

And unfortunately, the way a society works is that we all suffer limitations on our personal freedoms when enough of us demonstrate that we are incapable of being trusted to the full extent of those freedoms.
Guns could disappear but violence wouldn't. The recent mass stabbing is an example

Re: Another mass shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 12:01 pm
by jfish26
randylahey wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:57 am
jfish26 wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:45 am
pdub wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:34 am Being concerned whether our citizens having assault rifles would help stop an invasion would be similar to being concerned if Dillon Wilhite was ready to start in the NCAA tournament if we needed him.

If we need Dillon Wilhite in a big game, we're probably already fucked.
Randy's going to tell you that was a tangent, and he's going to come back to needing to be armed for protection against our own government.

Of course, the Randies of the world have eagerly ensured that any horny local police department has ample access to the sort of equipment and materiel that would make the guns in my or anyone's safe absolutely meaningless.

The fundamental problem Randy cannot solve is that people keep demonstrating, over and over and over and over, that we as a society cannot be trusted with assault rifles. They simply allow ONE bad guy to do WAY TOO MUCH harm, harm that is self-evidently NOT prevented by any number of good guys with any number of guns, and harm that is self-evidently NOT limited to "thugs" or "bad guys" or "self-defense" or what the hell ever.

And unfortunately, the way a society works is that we all suffer limitations on our personal freedoms when enough of us demonstrate that we are incapable of being trusted to the full extent of those freedoms.
Guns could disappear but violence wouldn't. The recent mass stabbing is an example
Nobody has ever, ONE TIME, said anything to the contrary. Stop arguing against points that literally nobody is making.

Re: Another mass shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 12:14 pm
by pdub
That's just what a low KCromprehension Score gets you.

Re: Another mass shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 12:23 pm
by pdub
So now during the regular season Dillon Wilhite is leaving the bench and getting technicals arguing with refs, shoving players etc.

He did it all season. He got kicked out of every game and your opponent got multiple trips to the free throw line and possession. Every time. Offseason rolls around.

"Well, problem is, what if every player on our own team fouls out, except Dillon? Or, even worse, they all just decide to quit midseason. We could kick him off the team but then if those things happened, we'd be in trouble. Also, let's be honest, if we kick Dillon off the team, that's not gonna stop us from getting technical fouls in the future. It could still happen. So, yea, we gotta keep Dillon."

Re: Another mass shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 12:31 pm
by randylahey
So if we agree that criminals are going to continue breaking laws what difference will changing the laws make

It will only affect the law abiding citizens who were never the problem in the first place

Re: Another mass shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 12:32 pm
by randylahey
If a person has no regard for murder laws or human life, making them wait a few extra days or making them obtain a gun illegally will do nothing to change that

Re: Another mass shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 12:52 pm
by pdub
Listen, kicking Dillon off the team isn't going to stop him from kicking the game ball out of the stands in pick up games he's playing in. It's not gonna stop him from calling his online opponent 8chan level filth and rage quitting NBA2k games he's loosing in. Hell, to be honest, he could race past security during our games at Allen Fieldhouse and stop play while streaking.

There's simply nothing we can do guys.
He stays.

Re: Another mass shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:07 pm
by pdub
OK, so, how about a compromise.
We keep Dillon in the locker room during the games. He's on the official roster and we let the ref know but he's not going to be playing unless we really really need him - i.e. all those players foul out. We're not gonna take Dillon away from practice. We won't take Dillon away from team dinners. He seems to control himself alright except during actual games.

No. If we do something like that, it'll eventually lead to Dillon getting kicked off the team. We all know it. Plus Dillon being in the locker room won't truly stop him from running onto the court and fondling a cheerleader. If Dillon wants to do that, he will.

Sorry, no restrictions on Dillon. He's on the bench every game.
In fact, a better solution would be to start Dillon immediately.
More Dillon all the time.

Re: Another mass shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:24 pm
by randylahey
Could Dillon have defended the pick and roll better than hunter tho