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jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:41 am

hasbeen wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:23 am This thread is 226 pages so I'm not going all the way back, but has there been any discussion around the lab leak origin story of COVID-19?

Like all things, it became politicized in the beginning because Trump and his goons advanced the possibility of a sinister motive behind the development of the virus, rather than an accident in a lab followed by a sinister cover-up.

That caused everyone on Twitter and cable news to reflexively dismiss the idea but I've always thought it had some merit, based on my limited virology education. Lab leaks are rare but have happened for decades. They haven't found the animal source in the wild yet either if it was a natural jump between species.

This matters for lots of reasons, but definitely because if lab leak + cover up by Chinese government is ever proven, then what?

From what I've read, zoonotic origin seems like the most likely explanation, but there are good and documented reasons to at least investigate the possibility of a lab leak and subsequent coverup.

Of course, things that should be investigated are going uninvestigated quite a lot these days.

hasbeen wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:52 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:41 am

hasbeen wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:23 am This thread is 226 pages so I'm not going all the way back, but has there been any discussion around the lab leak origin story of COVID-19?

Like all things, it became politicized in the beginning because Trump and his goons advanced the possibility of a sinister motive behind the development of the virus, rather than an accident in a lab followed by a sinister cover-up.

That caused everyone on Twitter and cable news to reflexively dismiss the idea but I've always thought it had some merit, based on my limited virology education. Lab leaks are rare but have happened for decades. They haven't found the animal source in the wild yet either if it was a natural jump between species.

This matters for lots of reasons, but definitely because if lab leak + cover up by Chinese government is ever proven, then what?

From what I've read, zoonotic origin seems like the most likely explanation, but there are good and documented reasons to at least investigate the possibility of a lab leak and subsequent coverup.

Of course, things that should be investigated are going uninvestigated quite a lot these days.

Also really hard to investigate if the Chinese government doesn't cooperate. I'm trying to weight my general curiosity and skepticism of the zoonotic origin vs the fact that the people really pushing the lab leak theory have always been hardliners against China. With some of these people, it's just a convenient way to push the US closer to war with them.

MJ23 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:08 am Sorry for the hijack but my my how things have changed in regards to airline travel during the pandemic. I traveled at the very beginning of the pandemic and understandably there was mass/extreme paranoia in many regards.
This past week, if it wasn't for "mandatory" mask wearing in the airport and on the plane, you would have no idea Covid exists.
Reagan National was a joke. No one cleaning anything anywhere that I could see.
I say it's a joke in that....
Customers get fed this bullshit from American Airlines in their "Our Clean Commitment" on their website.

Enhanced cleaning....
"We clean and sanitize high-touch surfaces in the airport, like kiosks, ticket counters and seating areas. On our planes, we deep clean tray tables, seatbelt buckles, armrests, window shades, seatback screens, doors and overhead bin handles. We also treat our planes with SurfaceWise®2, a breakthrough coating that provides enhanced protection by sustained killing of 99.9% of viruses, including coronaviruses, on surfaces".

BULL SHIT!!!!!!
My mother and I arrived two hours early and we NEVER saw any "high-touch surfaces in the airport, like kiosks, ticket counters and seating areas" being cleaned at any time.
Also, our plane arrived at the gate, people deplaned, and then there was a grand total of 10 minutes before we boarded. ZERO chance that the "tray tables, seatbelt buckles, armrests, window shades, seatback screens, doors and overhead bin handles" were "deep clean/ed" in those 10 minutes.


Back to people debating and trying to deduct how the virus originated......
If/when someone convinces me they know exactly how it originated, please assure me it will never happen again. Thanks.

TDub wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:21 am

MJ23 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:08 am Sorry for the hijack but my my how things have changed in regards to airline travel during the pandemic. I traveled at the very beginning of the pandemic and understandably there was mass/extreme paranoia in many regards.
This past week, if it wasn't for "mandatory" mask wearing in the airport and on the plane, you would have no idea Covid exists.
Reagan National was a joke. No one cleaning anything anywhere that I could see.
I say it's a joke in that....
Customers get fed this bullshit from American Airlines in their "Our Clean Commitment" on their website.

Enhanced cleaning....
"We clean and sanitize high-touch surfaces in the airport, like kiosks, ticket counters and seating areas. On our planes, we deep clean tray tables, seatbelt buckles, armrests, window shades, seatback screens, doors and overhead bin handles. We also treat our planes with SurfaceWise®2, a breakthrough coating that provides enhanced protection by sustained killing of 99.9% of viruses, including coronaviruses, on surfaces".

BULL SHIT!!!!!!
My mother and I arrived two hours early and we NEVER saw any "high-touch surfaces in the airport, like kiosks, ticket counters and seating areas" being cleaned at any time.
Also, our plane arrived at the gate, people deplaned, and then there was a grand total of 10 minutes before we boarded. ZERO chance that the "tray tables, seatbelt buckles, armrests, window shades, seatback screens, doors and overhead bin handles" were "deep clean/ed" in those 10 minutes.


Back to people debating and trying to deduct how the virus originated......
If/when someone convinces me they know exactly how it originated, please assure me it will never happen again. Thanks.

0 confirmed cases contracted from touching contaminated surfaces. Rest eas gutter just dobt breathe in peoples breath or make out with strangers.

Cascadia wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 5:03 pm Taking the vaccine is not a “medical decision”

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:23 am

TDub wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:21 am

MJ23 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:08 am Sorry for the hijack but my my how things have changed in regards to airline travel during the pandemic. I traveled at the very beginning of the pandemic and understandably there was mass/extreme paranoia in many regards.
This past week, if it wasn't for "mandatory" mask wearing in the airport and on the plane, you would have no idea Covid exists.
Reagan National was a joke. No one cleaning anything anywhere that I could see.
I say it's a joke in that....
Customers get fed this bullshit from American Airlines in their "Our Clean Commitment" on their website.

Enhanced cleaning....
"We clean and sanitize high-touch surfaces in the airport, like kiosks, ticket counters and seating areas. On our planes, we deep clean tray tables, seatbelt buckles, armrests, window shades, seatback screens, doors and overhead bin handles. We also treat our planes with SurfaceWise®2, a breakthrough coating that provides enhanced protection by sustained killing of 99.9% of viruses, including coronaviruses, on surfaces".

BULL SHIT!!!!!!
My mother and I arrived two hours early and we NEVER saw any "high-touch surfaces in the airport, like kiosks, ticket counters and seating areas" being cleaned at any time.
Also, our plane arrived at the gate, people deplaned, and then there was a grand total of 10 minutes before we boarded. ZERO chance that the "tray tables, seatbelt buckles, armrests, window shades, seatback screens, doors and overhead bin handles" were "deep clean/ed" in those 10 minutes.


Back to people debating and trying to deduct how the virus originated......
If/when someone convinces me they know exactly how it originated, please assure me it will never happen again. Thanks.

0 confirmed cases contracted from touching contaminated surfaces. Rest eas gutter just dobt breathe in peoples breath or make out with strangers.

The collective freakout over surface transmission has been an enormous mistake. We knew by this time last year that it's just not something worth worrying over.

TDub wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:19 am It came from a lab...i mentioned that possibility last year and was labeled a trumper, loony, conspiracy theorist. Whatever.

TDub wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:24 am

Cascadia wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 5:03 pm Taking the vaccine is not a “medical decision”

I just want to hang onto this, its wonderful. This guy is the guy that likes to call people dumb. Thats good stuff.

If lobsta wouldve said this the board wouldve shit circles around themselves.

hasbeen wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:26 am

TDub wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:19 am It came from a lab...i mentioned that possibility last year and was labeled a trumper, loony, conspiracy theorist. Whatever.

It may not make you a "trumper, loony, conspiracy theorist" but just stating it as fact like it's self-evidently true does make you something.

TDub wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:30 am What medical decisions can a 15 yr o make?

Without parental consent

hasbeen wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:37 am

TDub wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:30 am What medical decisions can a 15 yr o make?

Without parental consent

I don't know. I also don't think it matters. The fact that we don't allow 15 year olds to make other decisions doesn't mean they can't make this decision.

You might be willing to let anti-vax parents keep teenagers from getting the shot, but I'm not. High school kids do pass and suffer from the virus, unlike the younger kids. They aren't taking a recreational drug; they're taking a shot that has been rigorously tested and has real world success.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fa ... t-n1268093

hasbeen wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:37 am

TDub wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:30 am What medical decisions can a 15 yr o make?

Without parental consent

I don't know. I also don't think it matters. The fact that we don't allow 15 year olds to make other decisions doesn't mean they can't make this decision.

You might be willing to let anti-vax parents keep teenagers from getting the shot, but I'm not. High school kids do pass and suffer from the virus, unlike the younger kids. They aren't taking a recreational drug; they're taking a shot that has been rigorously tested and has real world success.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fa ... t-n1268093

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:39 am

hasbeen wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:37 am

TDub wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:30 am What medical decisions can a 15 yr o make?

Without parental consent

I don't know. I also don't think it matters. The fact that we don't allow 15 year olds to make other decisions doesn't mean they can't make this decision.

You might be willing to let anti-vax parents keep teenagers from getting the shot, but I'm not. High school kids do pass and suffer from the virus, unlike the younger kids. They aren't taking a recreational drug; they're taking a shot that has been rigorously tested and has real world success.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fa ... t-n1268093

The sad reality that anything that has even a hint of letting teenage girls (or women, generally) make decisions about their own bodies is going to call down the flying monkeys.

TDub wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:44 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:39 am

hasbeen wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:37 am

I don't know. I also don't think it matters. The fact that we don't allow 15 year olds to make other decisions doesn't mean they can't make this decision.

You might be willing to let anti-vax parents keep teenagers from getting the shot, but I'm not. High school kids do pass and suffer from the virus, unlike the younger kids. They aren't taking a recreational drug; they're taking a shot that has been rigorously tested and has real world success.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fa ... t-n1268093

The sad reality that anything that has even a hint of letting teenage girls (or women, generally) make decisions about their own bodies is going to call down the flying monkeys.

Youre the only one bringing gender into it that ive seen.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:51 am if and when they ever make the vaccine mandatory for kids to return to school, i would be last in line. i may feel differently 6 months, 12 months from now. but as of right now, i would move very slowly towards the vaccine with my young person. if and when they make it mandatory to return to school.