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Seems it was quite a frequent topic in this years debates

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:43 am

TDub wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:06 am

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:35 am
with that logic, are we gonna talk about slavery?

or better yet, the persecution and forced assimilation of American Indians?

Are you suggesting we don't already?

in this context?

no, not really

edit: if we’re using DC’s metric, Germany is head and shoulders above the US based solely on the US’s continued treatment of American Indians

Your knowledge of organizational theory and practice is equivalent to my knowledge of microbiology.

Or, conversely, my knowledge of microbiology is equivalent to your knowledge of organizational theory and practice. Which is why I don't presume to explain to PhD what a dumbass he is.

But you do you.

TDub wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:44 am Seems it was quite a frequent topic in this years debates

what was? whether Warren has native blood?

(serious question, since i didn’t care to watch the debates)

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:53 am

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:43 am

TDub wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:06 am


Are you suggesting we don't already?

in this context?

no, not really

edit: if we’re using DC’s metric, Germany is head and shoulders above the US based solely on the US’s continued treatment of American Indians

Your knowledge of organizational theory and practice is equivalent to my knowledge of microbiology.

Or, conversely, my knowledge of microbiology is equivalent to your knowledge of organizational theory and practice. Which is why I don't presume to explain to PhD what a dumbass he is.

But you do you.

lol, ok

so, do enlighten me on how the US and Germany are now so different than they used to be

or, just provide another snarky rebuttal without actually addressing my post

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:58 am

TDub wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:44 am Seems it was quite a frequent topic in this years debates

what was? whether Warren has native blood?

(serious question, since i didn’t care to watch the debates)

Reparations for one

TDub wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:02 pm

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:58 am

TDub wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:44 am Seems it was quite a frequent topic in this years debates

what was? whether Warren has native blood?

(serious question, since i didn’t care to watch the debates)

Reparations for one

that was a major topic of discussion?

and while related to slavery generally, it doesn’t get at the point DC is trying to make...or at least i don’t think it does

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:53 am

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:43 am

TDub wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:06 am


Are you suggesting we don't already?

in this context?

no, not really

edit: if we’re using DC’s metric, Germany is head and shoulders above the US based solely on the US’s continued treatment of American Indians

Your knowledge of organizational theory and practice is equivalent to my knowledge of microbiology.

Or, conversely, my knowledge of microbiology is equivalent to your knowledge of organizational theory and practice. Which is why I don't presume to explain to PhD what a dumbass he is.

But you do you.

I wish someone would explain it to me.

lol, ok

so, do enlighten me on how the US and Germany are now so different than they used to be

or, just provide another snarky rebuttal without actually addressing my post


Your post's are emotional overreaction.

Taking them seriously would be insulting to both of us.

That said, the German civil service, the origins of which were first explicitly codified in the Prussian General Code of 1794, has remained, largely unchanged in practice and authority for for two centuries. The process of dehumanization -- both of the cogs in the machine (as described by Weber) and of those outside of the system (as described by Arendt) -- is and always has been a key characteristic of the system, and is proudly acknowledged as such. This dual definition of dehumanization, in conjunction with the national respect for bureaucratic authority and the effectiveness of the system in pursuing its written and thus disinterested goals, made the German bureaucracy the most efficient killing machine in history. The Holocaust was an ideological project, but it was aided and abetted by the ruthless efficiency and relentlessness of the German bureaucracy.

By contrast, the American civil service wasn't even started until after slavery was abolished. Moreover, the racism, support for eugenics, and totalitarianism of the American civil service's founders and original theorists (Wilson, to name one) were PRECISELY the reasons our civil service was subjugated to the will of the people.

well thanks for insulting both of us with your response

before lunch i was actually doing some googling to try and find what you were getting at, but i only found information support the notion that Germany had done notably more than the US to try and make for past transgressions

i’ll try to find time to dig a little deeper, using what you’ve provided

i do find it odd though, that you’re putting a finite time frame on the argument, seeming to dismiss both US slavery and the genocide of American Indians because, i guess, they happened prior to the formation of either country’s civil service entities

i’ll admit that i probably couldn’t give you a worthwhile definition of what that entity looks like for each, but i’ll do some more digging

basically just federal employees, but correct me if i’m wrong

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:19 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:10 pm

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:42 pm

I'd tell you to ask 6 million Jews, but I don't think they're available for comment.

I’m not sure what that has to do with responding to a pandemic in 2020.

As I put it in my response to zsn, NEITHER of those experiences -- the Holocaust nor the COVID response -- took/are taking place in a vacuum. There is a continuum of governance, and the same efficiency that makes the bureaucracy effective in this crisis ALSO made it effective in liquidating 12 million lives.

You don't get to count the good and ignore the bad just because your perspective is self-limiting.

* Never mind. I confused myself with my own post. Not the first time and hopefully won’t be the last.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:11 pm i do find it odd though, that you’re putting a finite time frame on the argument, seeming to dismiss both US slavery and the genocide of American Indians because, i guess, they happened prior to the formation of either country’s civil service entities

It's not odd at all.

I am NOT now and have not previously commented on the people or the government of Germany. I could not care less about them. Moreover, I don't blame them for any past transgressions.

And nor, for that matter, do I blame the German bureaucracy. I merely pointed out, from an organizational perspective, that the German bureaucracy, which is THE model for Western democratic civil service, is, historically, easily placed in the service of evil ends. Both the Nazis and the Stasi used it quite effectively. And when placed in the service of those ends, the German bureaucracy is every bit as organized, relentless, and indefatigable, as it has been in pursuit of COVID testing, treatment, etc.

The American civil service does not have a similar history. You can talk all you want about slavery and the indigenous people, but that's a discussion entirely unrelated to this one.

Are you really scolding a user from straying off topic talking about the German civil service?

Fox and Friends

Geezer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:06 pm Are you really scolding a user from straying off topic talking about the German civil service?

Fox and Friends

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Ken.

Geezer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:06 pm Are you really scolding a user from straying off topic talking about the German civil service?

Fox and Friends

Sort of strange off-topic into the German civil service and how it served the Nazis, when the setup for them was DC's favorite bureaucracy, that fomented the anti-semitism which ushered Europe into Nazism, the Holy Roman Catholic Church.

Trump plays the Polish my knob better or else, card:

I just checked out his recent Tweets.
Good to see our President has been watching TV to see who is and isn't blowing him - and been busy tweeting - and being his usual asshole self.
He really is a gigantic piece of shit.

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