Kansas Crimson

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:15 pm we know exactly what a ch presidency will look and feel like. we have been living it for the last 3.5 years.

what more do we need to know.

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 12:23 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:55 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:35 am
Nice. You managed to fit three bold faced lies into one sentence.

Gee who could have predicted that the candidates would get questions about the economy, race, foreign policy, the war in Ukraine and the Israel/Gaza conflict?

And links to the Tiffany earrings that Harris was wearing have already been distributed to dispel that idiotic Bluetooth earring nonsense. They are the Tiffany & co. South Sea pearl earrings in 18k gold from the Tiffany Hardwear collection if you would like to look them up yourself.

So you don't think that your childish lies are harmless and victimless, here's the most unsurprising fallout of this ignorant story about "illegal Haitian immigrants eating pets". They are now reporting threats and concerns for their safety thanks to unhinged MAGA loons.

https://haitiantimes.com/2024/09/11/hai ... t-attacks/

Bull. Shit.

And, when you flood a community with illegals, you can expect backlash.

AGAIN, these Haitian immigrants are LEGAL immigrants. You continue to LIE.

And your "I don't believe you but if I did believe you then they deserved it" is peak Donald Trump "I've never heard of Project 2025 but it has some good stuff and some bad stuff".

pdub wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:27 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:20 am

pdub wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:31 am Debate watchers said, 63% to 37%, that Harris turned in a better performance onstage in Philadelphia.

And yet they are more confident in Trump’s ability to fix problems. You’d almost think people figured out that 3 on 1 is a pretty big disadvantage, that Giggles got the questions ahead of time and had people in her earpiece telling her what to say.

https://nypost.com/2024/09/12/us-news/c ... ooth-ones/

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/09/viral ... he-debate/

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 2:05 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:27 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:20 am

And yet they are more confident in Trump’s ability to fix problems. You’d almost think people figured out that 3 on 1 is a pretty big disadvantage, that Giggles got the questions ahead of time and had people in her earpiece telling her what to say.

https://nypost.com/2024/09/12/us-news/c ... ooth-ones/

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/09/viral ... he-debate/

Another version of “We investigated ourselves and found no evidence of wrongdoing.”

At first, it seemed like this week’s “MAGA accuses Haitian migrants of pet murder in Springfield, Ohio” story would be just a bizarro news blip.

Then Donald Trump embraced the invented narrative on live TV to an audience of tens of millions during the debate: “They’re eating the dogs, the people that came in, they’re eating the cats . . . The people on television say, my dog was taken and used for food.” And the rest of the Republican spin brigade trudged wearily after him.

“I’ve heard conflicting reports,” Tennessee Sen. Bill Hagerty said on CNN last night. “There’s a lot of information on the internet that this is happening.”

Meanwhile, a horde of YouTubers and right-wing influencers have descended on Springfield, all hoping to find smoking-gun evidence of pet-cheffery in order to give proof to the lie they’ve helped launch. What they’ve found is locals echoing back their own rumors to them: “Then I heard that stuff on Facebook,” one Springfield woman told Charlie Kirk’s Turning Point USA, “and I thought, I better watch my dogs!”

This point bears repeating. What do many residents of Springfield itself have in common with Bill Hagerty, a random shill from two states away? They’re all just repeating nonsense they saw on the internet. Not a single person who has lost a pet of their own has come forward with their story. But plenty of Springfield natives are now convinced that Haitian immigrants one subdivision over are snatching dogs and cats by the truckload.

Has there ever been a better microcosm of our Trumpified politics? A small town, strained by a wave of new migrants, thrust into the national spotlight by opportunistic politicians and conservative hucksters, churned through a balkanized media ecosystem that lets false rumors spread like weeds. Trump says he wants to protect these communities. He ends up dividing them, inflaming tensions within them, all while using them as political pawns.

The migration of thousands of Haitians to Springfield, attracted by warehouse and manufacturing jobs, has created real tensions: strained social services, language barriers, rising rents. A car crash involving a Haitian driving without a U.S. license killed an 11-year-old boy, Aiden Clark.

But what’s most notable about this story (like so many others) is how much of the prejudice underlying it is whipped up from outside the affected community. Last month, a man showed up to speak at a Springfield town hall. “I’ve come to bring a word of warning,” he said. “Stop what you’re doing before it’s too late. Crime and savagery will only increase with every Haitian you bring in.”

The man didn’t live in Springfield. He said his name was “Nathaniel Higgers,” and he was a representative of the neo-Nazi group Blood Tribe. (“Nate Higgers” is a common gag name among white supremacists, for reasons I hope I don’t have to explain.)

More polished MAGA types won’t go that far, obviously. But they too are more than happy to raise the temperature on local racial tensions to get a bump of political enthusiasm out of their national base. JD Vance, who continues to stoke the ridiculous pet-eating story, has also caricatured the more serious issues:

“Do you know what’s confirmed?” he tweeted Tuesday. “That a child was murdered by a Haitian migrant who had no right to be here.”

The same evening of Vance’s tweet, at a Springfield town meeting, Aiden’s father denounced the senator’s invocation of his son.

“I wish that my son, Aiden Clark, was killed by a 60-year-old white man,” Nathan Clark said. “I bet you never thought anyone would say something so blunt, but if that guy killed my 11-year-old son, the incessant group of hate-spewing people would leave us alone. The last thing that we need is to have the worst day of our lives violently and constantly shoved in our faces, but even that’s not good enough for them. They take it one step further. They make it seem that our wonderful Aiden appreciates your hate, that we should follow their hate.”

Spreading racist rumors about Haitians eating cats is a scandal. Forcing a grieving father to have to make these remarks is a tragedy.

pdub wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 2:54 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 2:05 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:27 pm

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/09/viral ... he-debate/

Another version of “We investigated ourselves and found no evidence of wrongdoing.”

Where is YOUR proof?
Have you ever heard of burden of proof?

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:26 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 2:54 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 2:05 pm

Another version of “We investigated ourselves and found no evidence of wrongdoing.”

Where is YOUR proof?
Have you ever heard of burden of proof?

Meh. You all refuse to see that the media is a part of the same Deep State as the DNC.

Whenever I post sources, I get called a “fucktard.” I’ll pass.

Republicans tried to largely hide from former president Donald Trump’s debate performance Tuesday, mostly cheering him on or just avoiding the issue altogether.
Speaking to reporters Wednesday, House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) focused entirely on a failed government funding plan. What did he think of Trump’s debate performance, reporters asked him. Johnson walked away, into the House chamber.
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Across the Capitol, Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.), the No. 2 GOP leader, fell into the passive voice to avoid criticizing Trump when asked about the missed opportunity to define Vice President Kamala Harris.
“Well, um, that job’s got to get done,” said Thune, who is asking colleagues to promote him to majority leader.
Who should take up that task? Thune ducked into a closed luncheon for GOP senators without answering the question.

That’s hardly a ringing endorsement from the two people who, if he won the presidency, Trump would rely on to advance his agenda on Capitol Hill.

Almost 11 weeks after congressional Democrats faced a political come-to-Jesus moment surrounding President Joe Biden’s standing, Republicans confronted their own version of a presidential nominee who handled his debate performance with confused, rambling answers that diverged into territory few voters care about.
But they had far more reserved reactions than those exhibited by Democrats at the time, who showed up in mourning to a brief series of votes the morning after Biden’s debate with Trump.
Trump on Tuesday came across more energetic than Biden did back on June 27, but his grasp of issues left many Republicans privately expressing deep regret over how their candidate did not do much, if any, of the traditional debate preparation that has been common practice for a few decades.

Other Republicans just blamed moderators for poor questioning, even though Trump spoke for more minutes than Harris and had ample opportunities to drive home those points.

“I think he preps every day. Like President Trump, I do a lot of meetings, town halls, roundtables, and I think that’s the best prep in the world that you can do,” Sen. Roger Marshall (R-Kan.) said Wednesday.
Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.), who has won three deeply contested statewide races through a disciplined, well-funded campaign operation, did not blame Trump for wandering into strange ideological cul-de-sacs and suggested he is so incredibly well known to voters that debate performances won’t matter for him.
“If you don’t know Trump, I don’t know where you’ve been,” Scott said. “Under a rock?”

Other Republicans begrudgingly offered a slight critique — “missed opportunity” was the description of choice — noting how Harris never found herself on the defensive about her two decades of elected service as a prosecutor, senator and vice president.

“I believe that we missed a lot of opportunities last night,” Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.) said.
“It was a huge missed opportunity to nail Kamala Harris on some very easy, easy points. Could have been a lot worse,” said Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-Tex.).
How could it have been much worse? “I mean, I don’t think Trump, you know, became overly emotional or lost his cool. He remained stoic,” Crenshaw said. “He never looked over at her the way she kept sneering and jeering at him like a child.”

Contrast that with Democrats’ reactions after Biden’s June debate.
“I think people are panic-stricken,” said Rep. Emanuel Cleaver II (D-Mo.), a 20-year incumbent who serves as a minister and at the time cautioned colleagues not to make rash decisions. “They’re panic-stricken, and I don’t think that’s a good time to think.”

Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who would go on to play a behind-the-scenes role in helping push Biden aside, told reporters “it could be” when asked whether that debate was Biden’s “worst night” as president.

Republicans do not feel free to be that critical of Trump out of the fear that, even if he loses, he will continue to use his influence over base voters to extract revenge in primaries against the wayward lawmakers.

Marshall, a onetime traditional conservative who reinvented himself as a far-right agitator, adopted the blame-the-moderators approach to explain how the Biden-Harris record on border security and crime did not become focal points.

Yet he has no explanation for why Trump didn’t make more of those issues in his nearly 43 minutes of speaking, which included plenty of topics that were not questions from moderators.

KUTradition wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:55 pm https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/1 ... o-00178752