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pdub wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 7:35 pm

BiggDick wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 1:41 pm dunno if that quote is the smoking gun you want it to be. He also says he thinks it’s right for student-athletes to receive revenue.

And I wonder if any student-athletes’s mental health will be affected by their coach jumping ship like two weeks before the season opener.

lol.
He has to say that to keep the JFish’s from pointing out the hypocrisies.

He literally told you the reason why he’s leaving was what Illy and I guessed.
Come on dude.

I’m catching strays here, but I’m not sure I even follow - are you saying that Bennett gave lip service to something he doesn’t believe, so that he would be treated less harshly for walking away?

If we’re Occam’s Razor-ing this…it seems like the answer is to accept what he’s saying at face value?

It seems totally reasonable to me that a coach might BOTH (1) believe that players getting paid is good, in the macro, and (2) feel that the specifics of coaching through this transition isn’t worth it, in the micro?

If money was no object for you, and you’d accomplished pretty much everything you can accomplish in your line of work, and someone told you at 55 that now you’ve got to basically relearn how to do your job to the standards you’ve done it before, and it’s going to take a few years to do…I think that believing the change is good for your industry but not for you personally is perfectly rational?

If anything, I think the “I think I was equipped to do the job here the old way” bit might be even more damning than the one about professionalism that pdub bolded.

But, for all we know, and considering how widespread dirty money in college sports was prior to NIL, maybe he’s indicating he struggles to navigate the market legitimately.

It’s not like all the old school weed dealers exactly celebrated recreational legalization.

And if anyone wants to suggest I’m reading this only in a way to bolster my own opinions, well, welcome to this thread.

Heck, welcome to the message boreds!

I believe he ( Tony ) would prefer CBB what it was previous, when players were not getting 'paid' ( though they were still getting paid via stipends and a long list of things that would cost a lot of money ), but he'd look like a hypocrite since he was making so much money if he came out and said he preferred it when college players were not paid.

and a long list of things

pdub wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 11:25 am I believe he ( Tony ) would prefer CBB what it was previous, when players were not getting 'paid' ( though they were still getting paid via stipends and a long list of things that would cost a lot of money ), but he'd look like a hypocrite since he was making so much money if he came out and said he preferred it when college players were not paid.

So you think that part of his statement was sincere, and part was not?

I think he doesn’t like the new NCAA but can’t fully expand on it because he’d look like an asshole to some people.

Say what everyone knows the issue is but might as well avoid the possible backlash.

I think he was pretty clear about what he doesn’t like. What he said was rational. Not sure there is a logical reason to think that some parts were sincere and other parts were not.

What do you notice about Dylan Harper and Ace Bailey? I'll give you a hint. There is a reason why I posted my question and the videos on this thread.

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 5:40 pm What do you notice about Dylan Harper and Ace Bailey? I'll give you a hint. There is a reason why I posted my question and the videos on this thread.

Rutgers lost.

In other news, Zuby Elijafor went 12-20 (1-4 3pt) with 27pts and 13 rebs.

Yes, Rutgers lost but that wasn't what I was looking for.
They both wore Nike shoes - and play for an Adidas school.

Rutgers recap.....
https://scarletknights.com/news/2024/10 ... ation.aspx

My prediction is still on pace ( May 2020 ) - about a year and half left on that:

viewtopic.php?p=113875#p113875

I think it's good that KU was one of just eight schools that provided the most detailed data.

The hidden NIL economy of college sports

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/i ... hlete-pay/

The story doesn't really take a position on the contentious aspects of all of this.

The most interesting graphic, in my opinion, is about 4/5 down the page (headers are "Number of payments" and "Total value") and shows - to me! confirmation bias alert! - what appears to be a rationally-behaving market, including what is essentially a middle class.

Do we think the average CBB fan has become more or less interested in the sport since NIL has been introduced?

The average CBB fan doesn’t care.

It’s only a very select few message board warriors who do.

Select few.



I'd also add every person in my circle of friends ( insert some sort of joke that i don't have friends here ) who does not partake in message boreds ( or generally post at all about it ) have hinted or outright said they dislike it.

I don't think the sentiment is isolated despite what a few posters on here want to cling to.

This of course is different than the general sentiment that college players should get paid of which i'd bet the majority of fans ( especially younger fans ) would answer yes to in a vacuum.

The most glaring point(s) to me are all the bullet points indicating how many schools sent what they wanted, and full disclosure isn't a basic expectation in many states, and wink-wink in many others.

Sorry, privacy laws that once protected such classes of folk should no longer, IMO. This report shows what a joke any type of 'policing' or forming an educated opinion truly is right now.

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:52 am Do we think the average CBB fan has become more or less interested in the sport since NIL has been introduced?

Less.

But I think there's a correlation-causation issue to sort. And a confounding factor issue to sort: I very strongly suspect that if you polled people on these questions with specificity, you'd find a much greater percentage of fans mad at roster turnover than at the notion of players getting paid.

I also responded to your specific question, which was limited to college basketball.

I can't think of a better representation of "average" interest than TV ratings, and I think it is true that college football TV ratings are exploding in whatever we want to call the new era.

My suspicion is that - just like with the pros - fan interest in football is more team than player, and basketball is much muddier. And so, to me, it would follow that roster turnover pisses people off WAY more in basketball than it does in football. I would also guess that roster turnover is much more directly impactful on the quality of play in basketball than it is in football.

To me, the “average” fan is much broader than some “circle of friends.”

It’s the folks whose level of interest in CBB is somewhere in the average big broad middle of the bell curve.

It’s the folks whose interest in CBB mostly just starts in March. As such, they’re not fussing the entire calendar year about anything about CBB at all, let alone NIL.

If NIL does come up, it’s met with an average sort of interest, which is not much interest either way. It gets responses more like, “well who cares cuz it doesn’t change the on-court gameplay” (bear in mind, these average fans don’t know many player names at all, let alone whether a player has been at a particular school for 1 season or 4+)

Other responses include, “well who cares cuz players were getting paid all along” (bear in mind the average fan isn’t likely to bother with nitpick arguments like exactly how many players were getting paid, how much players were getting paid, whether room and board and scholarship and stipend and such counts as getting paid, etc)

There’s also the average fan interest in the broader context of the world at large, like, “well who cares cuz there’s more important SCOTUS cases and injustices and inequalities everywhere, not to mention my own personal problems to worry about.”

But I very much think the average CBB fan’s concern about NIL is one flavor or another of, “who cares?”

To me there is a difference between average sports fan, which you are describing ( BWW Chad's ), and the average CBB fan.

The average CBB fan's interest does not just start in March.