Kansas Crimson

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:22 amit’s plausible, though unlikely based on the available facts, that the virus “escaped” from a lab. it remains the most likely scenario, that the pandemic is the result of zoonotic crossover stemming from the cultural practice of wet markets

we’ll likely never know for certain, unfortunately

I think I would stop after "zoonotic crossover," but I haven't read anything on that in awhile (can't believe it's been 18 months-ish).

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:26 am

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:22 amit’s plausible, though unlikely based on the available facts, that the virus “escaped” from a lab. it remains the most likely scenario, that the pandemic is the result of zoonotic crossover stemming from the cultural practice of wet markets

we’ll likely never know for certain, unfortunately

I think I would stop after "zoonotic crossover," but I haven't read anything on that in awhile (can't believe it's been 18 months-ish).

it’s not just a chinese cultural phenomenon (which i’m sure you know), and it wasn’t my intent to imply that was the case

https://modernhealthcare.com/technology ... n-lab-leak

...In a paper posted to a virology forum last week, Robert Garry of Tulane University, who doubts the lab leak hypothesis, brought forth a new fragment of “spillover” evidence: The WHO report shows that some of the first 168 cases of COVID were linked to two or more animal markets in Wuhan, he said, with strains from different markets showing slight differences in their genetic sequence. “Maybe one animal was in a truck with a bunch of cages and then it spread it to another species and that’s where the shift took place,” Garry said.

Garry and other international scientists have worked with Shi and her lab for years. The evidence for Garry’s supposition isn’t airtight, he admitted, but it’s more convincing than “contriving something where some of the world’s leading virologists are covering up at the behest of the Chinese Communist Party,” he said...

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:44 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:26 am

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:22 amit’s plausible, though unlikely based on the available facts, that the virus “escaped” from a lab. it remains the most likely scenario, that the pandemic is the result of zoonotic crossover stemming from the cultural practice of wet markets

we’ll likely never know for certain, unfortunately

I think I would stop after "zoonotic crossover," but I haven't read anything on that in awhile (can't believe it's been 18 months-ish).

it’s not just a chinese cultural phenomenon (which i’m sure you know), and it wasn’t my intent to imply that was the case

Oh I get it. I would guess it is just next to impossible to narrow down the animal to human transmission and how the animal is acquired, if it even was.

Do any of you think people should be forced to be vaccinated?

You people?

No, you cannot force vaccinations on someone. Unvaccinated people should not be allowed on airplanes or large sports/music events etc.

I don’t think it’s a stretch to suggest in the 70%+ vaccinated areas, covid won’t be a huge issue for the foreseeable future, but the maga, I mean, anti vax areas (trying to phrase it to make it appropriate for this bored), could be facing another wave.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:34 pm Do any of you think people should be forced to be vaccinated?

I won't get too into the semantics of the word "forced," but yes, I do.

I think prohibiting from public transit, events, schools, etc, isn’t unreasonable, considering how much it already has happened before covid.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:41 pm

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:34 pm Do any of you think people should be forced to be vaccinated?

I won't get too into the semantics of the word "forced," but yes, I do.

(It should be noted that, with very limited exceptions, we've been good with forced vaccinations for decades.)

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:51 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:41 pm

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:34 pm Do any of you think people should be forced to be vaccinated?

I won't get too into the semantics of the word "forced," but yes, I do.

(It should be noted that, with very limited exceptions, we've been good with forced vaccinations for decades.)

^^^^^^^^

The People v. Jenny McCarthy

I bet she feels singled out.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:58 pm I bet she feels singled out.

Ok, this is fantastic.

Up for pun of the year.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:31 pm

What the hell happened in NH?

Live free or die.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:13 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:31 pm

What the hell happened in NH?

That graph will be part of a conspiracy theory by the end of the day.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:43 pm I think prohibiting from public transit, events, schools, etc, isn’t unreasonable, considering how much it already has happened before covid.

Huh?

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:36 pm You people?

No, you cannot force vaccinations on someone. Unvaccinated people should not be allowed on airplanes or large sports/music events etc.

Just got back from Hawaii, where they are not allowing unvaccinated people to return to work, but are also not allowing anyone who wants a vaccine to have one, a la the tier system.

According to locals I visited with, people are using it as an excuse to stay home and keep collecting unemployment checks, since Subway can't see their way clear to paying sandwich artists $30 an hour.

Meanwhile, the government, in their infinite wisdom, opened the floodgates to 100,000 tourists coming in per day with less than a 50% workforce in place. What could possibly go wrong?

The result? Long lines and shortages everywhere.

Getting a cab takes two to three hours, if you can get one at all. The one time we got a cab, the driver told me he was working 14 hours a day nonstop and the company was begging him to work more.

Want a rental car? Be prepared to fork over $500 a day on the odd chance that a company has one available or negotiate with an islander to pay a like amount to borrow their personal vehicle.

Uber? Good luck.

Lyft? Not happening.

Want to eat at a restaurant? Hope you made a reservation a month before you landed. Otherwise, you get to stand in line for an hour at McDonalds and then take your burger and try to find a place on a park bench to eat it, 'cause the dining area is still closed.

It is like stepping into a time warp back to March of 2020 or a teen dystopian novel.

Things that make sense in theory rarely take into account the human element. People will take just about any scenario and flip it in an unanticipated direction based on laziness and self-interest. A government official who has not had to do anything for himself or herself in years has no way of seeing how things will play out.