Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2024 5:36 am
And JFC, Lobster doesn't even know who you are. Stop pretending you were scared for your life over a messageboard post.
Flares and chaff. Flailing around in janky, discombobulated search of goalposts when they are right in front of you, you just don’t like that the ball you kick doesn’t go through them.ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:20 pm No, you don't have this right.
I was gonna try rephrasing the "fool me once" point, but what I think will be more constructive to instead start by asking:
What you find so difficult to understand about the argument that the "WMDs in Iraq" rhetoric (that turned out to be bullshit) is reason to view with skepticism subsequent rhetoric from the exact same dipshits?
Cuz I was gonna say my argument at bottom is something like that.
But, instead, I think we should zoom out further yet, and just say my argument is that you are among a handful of posters here who seem severely under the influence of Cold War propaganda.
Maybe zooming even further, but related, if I may ask:
What do you think of the U.S. throwing bajillions of weapons to Taiwan now too?
If China were to respond aggressively, what then?
Considering what a deception the "WMDs in Iraq" rhetoric turned out to be, then why should dipshits who perpetrated it be trusted about anything subsequent?jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 7:43 amFlares and chaff. Flailing around in janky, discombobulated search of goalposts when they are right in front of you, you just don’t like that the ball you kick doesn’t go through them.ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:20 pm No, you don't have this right.
I was gonna try rephrasing the "fool me once" point, but what I think will be more constructive to instead start by asking:
What you find so difficult to understand about the argument that the "WMDs in Iraq" rhetoric (that turned out to be bullshit) is reason to view with skepticism subsequent rhetoric from the exact same dipshits?
Cuz I was gonna say my argument at bottom is something like that.
But, instead, I think we should zoom out further yet, and just say my argument is that you are among a handful of posters here who seem severely under the influence of Cold War propaganda.
Maybe zooming even further, but related, if I may ask:
What do you think of the U.S. throwing bajillions of weapons to Taiwan now too?
If China were to respond aggressively, what then?
Other people can (and do) speak for themselves on what you’re doing in this thread, and how it’s making engagement impossible and dragging down this and other threads. For me, it’s all of the shit in the blender, endlessly.
Please focus, and explain how “WMDs in Iraq” makes everyone else wrong, and you and Vlad and Don and Kim right, on what has happened and is happening in Ukraine.
What exactly is the “WMDs in Iraq” argument, as relating to Ukraine?
I am beginning to think the only person who knows the actual argument you are trying to make is your summer camp girlfriend who lives in Canada and is totally real, but no we can’t see her.ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 8:22 amConsidering what a deception the "WMDs in Iraq" rhetoric turned out to be, then why should dipshits who perpetrated it be trusted about anything subsequent?jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 7:43 amFlares and chaff. Flailing around in janky, discombobulated search of goalposts when they are right in front of you, you just don’t like that the ball you kick doesn’t go through them.ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:20 pm No, you don't have this right.
I was gonna try rephrasing the "fool me once" point, but what I think will be more constructive to instead start by asking:
What you find so difficult to understand about the argument that the "WMDs in Iraq" rhetoric (that turned out to be bullshit) is reason to view with skepticism subsequent rhetoric from the exact same dipshits?
Cuz I was gonna say my argument at bottom is something like that.
But, instead, I think we should zoom out further yet, and just say my argument is that you are among a handful of posters here who seem severely under the influence of Cold War propaganda.
Maybe zooming even further, but related, if I may ask:
What do you think of the U.S. throwing bajillions of weapons to Taiwan now too?
If China were to respond aggressively, what then?
Other people can (and do) speak for themselves on what you’re doing in this thread, and how it’s making engagement impossible and dragging down this and other threads. For me, it’s all of the shit in the blender, endlessly.
Please focus, and explain how “WMDs in Iraq” makes everyone else wrong, and you and Vlad and Don and Kim right, on what has happened and is happening in Ukraine.
What exactly is the “WMDs in Iraq” argument, as relating to Ukraine?
If somebody told you they had some oceanfront property in Idaho they wanted to sell you, and you bought it, and you pack your shit and get up there and realize oh shit Idaho is landlocked, then they say oopie lol, but btw for real this time the oceanfront property I have for you is actually in Wyoming, would you start packing your shit again?
Cuz the way you sound right now is, yeah, you would start packing your shit again. Your friends try to say, I dunno fish maybe this oceanfront realtor dood is trying to pull another one on you, but you accuse them of flares and chaff, and very stubbornly keep packing, cuz this is all very simple.
and, no offense, but speaking of flailing - why did you dodge the questions about Taiwan and China?
Having someone continue to be a smartass even when posed serious questions in response to their original smartass statement is certainly frustrating, isn't it?ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 7:57 pmand yet, when prompted to clarify, one poster did so by articulating his position and concerns, and the other poster...uh, kept grunting.twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 1:51 pmYes, watching you get bent out of shape at a smartass response to your admittedly smartass response is quite the case study indeed.ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:53 am Heads up! I’m not the one posting the grunting.
But perhaps trad does it to amuse the illy/tdub circle jerk, cuz boy do you guys like it, dontcha?
And BTW if it really needs to be said my sanction/speak to congress comment was facetious. I think it’s silly to be concerned about war crimes allegations not cuz of the objective credibility and severity of the allegations themselves, but only when it satisfies one’s good guy bad guy world views.
More generally, my persistence in this thread is out of a certain fascination I find in observing those who have learned not. one. single. god. damn. thing! from WMDs in Iraq, among other geopolitical lulz.
Rather than even consider a thing beyond that, you insult and put down and dodge and duck and dip and dive and dodge and normalize death threats and grunt. Like literally fucking grunt.
It’s quite the case study.
You know, "the gummit". They're all the same. Nothing ever changes or has it's own set of circumstances.
I mean, let's cut right to the point: what I am trying to understand is how, specifically, the US' own foreign policy failures and shortcomings should influence my views on Putin's war on Ukraine.
Exactly.DeletedUser wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:10 am I think most of us are willing to acknowledge that throughout our history the US has made mistakes. Lied. Pushed propaganda. Etc.
Do we have to do that each time something happens? Because it seems silly. Russia is the bad guy here. In this instance.
That doesn't mean Ukraine is perfect.
This isn't hard.