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TDub wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:34 pm NK supposedly sending troops to fight Ukraine within a month.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:55 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:34 pm NK supposedly sending troops to fight Ukraine within a month.

They musta finally heard about GWB.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:15 am

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:10 am I think most of us are willing to acknowledge that throughout our history the US has made mistakes. Lied. Pushed propaganda. Etc.


Do we have to do that each time something happens? Because it seems silly. Russia is the bad guy here. In this instance.

That doesn't mean Ukraine is perfect.

This isn't hard.

Exactly.

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:34 pm NK supposedly sending troops to fight Ukraine within a month.

Overlander wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:29 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:34 pm NK supposedly sending troops to fight Ukraine within a month.

If that happens, this takes a nasty turn

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:48 pm

Overlander wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:29 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:34 pm NK supposedly sending troops to fight Ukraine within a month.

If that happens, this takes a nasty turn

indeed, and quickly.

I'd like off this timeline, maybe the world really did end in 2012 and this is some sort of alternate reality ha

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:36 am

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:48 pm

Overlander wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:29 pm

If that happens, this takes a nasty turn

indeed, and quickly.

I'd like off this timeline, maybe the world really did end in 2012 and this is some sort of alternate reality ha

Maybe I’m being naive, but - what does it matter?

I understand in a manner of speaking it could be seen as a major escalation…but only if the adults in the room treat it as one.

I think - and hope - that we would use it not as an excuse to disarm NK (cue the flying monkeys!) but as a logical reason to expand Ukraine’s ability to weaken Russia behind its own borders. Which serves all of the goals.

Sparko wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:07 am Disarming a crazy psychopath is a rational decision before it is too late. But he has generations of weapons. There is a Hobson's choice with NK. Risky no matter what. Disarm or not is probably going to lead to disaster

TDub wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:04 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:36 am

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:48 pm

indeed, and quickly.

I'd like off this timeline, maybe the world really did end in 2012 and this is some sort of alternate reality ha

Maybe I’m being naive, but - what does it matter?

I understand in a manner of speaking it could be seen as a major escalation…but only if the adults in the room treat it as one.

I think - and hope - that we would use it not as an excuse to disarm NK (cue the flying monkeys!) but as a logical reason to expand Ukraine’s ability to weaken Russia behind its own borders. Which serves all of the goals.

I think it matters because it represents a fairly significant escalation and brings us one giant leap forward towards a world War type conflict.

1. It would mean a non directly involved country with boots on the ground in a part of the world a continent away.

2. It would mean another player actively helping invade a sovereign nation....I see a big difference between defense assistance and invasion assistance.

3. Will it "break the dam"? If and when they were to engage with troops, that opens the door for EU, US, countries to reciprocate and the potential for that to get out of control quickly exists.

4. North Korea hasn't been in a conflict in 50 years. They are desperate and desperate people do dangerous things.

5. What did Putin promise Kim? My assumption is that it involves some sort of Nuclear knowledge, I would prefer NK not become any more Nuclear capable.


Now, on the flipside, we might have a bunch of NK soldiers thay sre exposed to the outside world for the first time ever and perhaps they can bring reality back to NK and break the Kim spell.

There is also the possibility of a mass exodus of soldiers using th3 opportunity as a way to defect. Neither of those lessen the impact of the previous concerns though

Sparko wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:38 am There are those who believe a new Korean War is part of Putin's October Surprise gift. I read an article month or so ago gaming this out. Seems pretty out there until you look at TDub's concern #5. He promised unknown things.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:56 am russia can't beat ukraine in a war.

nk. russia. 3rd world $#!tholes.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:06 am

TDub wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:04 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:36 am

Maybe I’m being naive, but - what does it matter?

I understand in a manner of speaking it could be seen as a major escalation…but only if the adults in the room treat it as one.

I think - and hope - that we would use it not as an excuse to disarm NK (cue the flying monkeys!) but as a logical reason to expand Ukraine’s ability to weaken Russia behind its own borders. Which serves all of the goals.

I think it matters because it represents a fairly significant escalation and brings us one giant leap forward towards a world War type conflict.

1. It would mean a non directly involved country with boots on the ground in a part of the world a continent away.

2. It would mean another player actively helping invade a sovereign nation....I see a big difference between defense assistance and invasion assistance.

3. Will it "break the dam"? If and when they were to engage with troops, that opens the door for EU, US, countries to reciprocate and the potential for that to get out of control quickly exists.

4. North Korea hasn't been in a conflict in 50 years. They are desperate and desperate people do dangerous things.

5. What did Putin promise Kim? My assumption is that it involves some sort of Nuclear knowledge, I would prefer NK not become any more Nuclear capable.


Now, on the flipside, we might have a bunch of NK soldiers thay sre exposed to the outside world for the first time ever and perhaps they can bring reality back to NK and break the Kim spell.

There is also the possibility of a mass exodus of soldiers using th3 opportunity as a way to defect. Neither of those lessen the impact of the previous concerns though

I agree with everything you said. I would still lean toward strategic restraint.