Kansas Crimson

another issue that hasn’t been discussed here, but i mentioned in the cars thread is weight

EV batteries are heavy, and carrying more in order to drive further only increases that weight. then you add in the absurdities like electric hummers. the impact on tire wear (hello petroleum), road wear, and other downstream (pun unintended) effects makes for additional issues currently

https://microplastics.springeropen.com/ ... 21-00008-w

there’s also the fact that the majority of full-size trucks being purchased aren’t be used for necessary work, but rather are being used for recreation (campers, boats, OHVs, etc.) and daily drivers. add to that the full-size SUVs and the tendency for both types of vehicles to transport only the driver in many, if not most instances, and you get to my earlier point about wholesale changes in behavior

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:04 am

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:17 am reports that i’ve read estimate that the recyclability of lithium batteries are likely to vastly improve as the demand increases...maybe to as high as 90% of components

as with other issues though, i think a big part of making transportation more sustainable is going to require a wholesale shift in the way we live our lives, including things like more widespread use of *gasp* bicycles and public transit, rather than just hopping in your honda to run to the liquor or grocery store

right now, EVs are kinda like nuclear energy...the downstream waste isn’t an immediate factor for us, but will be a huge factor for future generations

the next 5-10 years will be very telling

but when everything runs on batteries will we have enough...even with recycling? how long to recycle a battery?

bikes and whatnot sure...but that doesn't work for millions of us that don't live in the city. I'm not riding my bike to the grocery store for 1 bag of groceries everyday....I'd never get anything else done. Just full time job getting groceries

but you aren’t the majority

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:33 am

Mjl wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:18 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:14 am

Wait, are you insinuating that I insinuated something? All I did was post an article.

And what is this “principle” you speak of? Or helping people…you mean people like elders, and folks who can’t even afford community college?

I guess I’ll insinuate that you're insinuating there’s other stuff in the reconciliation bill that will help people more. Maybe there is.

But if I WAS insinuating anything, it’s that Biden is waffling on even more campaign talking points, perhaps? Or even more generally, that there is no real American left.

The part you plucked from the article insinuates you agree with the point.

You think there is nothing useful in the infrastructure bill or the reconciliation bill? Because if they keep all the "campaign talking points" in, then both bills will fail.

Politicians are representing their voters. Voters did not vote for a far left Senate. To act like they did is putting your principles of fairness (in your mind) over the help those bills will provide to people. I just don't get why you hate the poor so much.

Oh, there’s plenty useful in the bills.

And no offense tho but this post is kind of all over the place. If “politicians are representing their voters,” then why are they also shitting all over their campaign talking points?

If I hate the poor so much, then why do I want poor people to have access to education? Or elderly care? Or things like child care or reduced prescription drug prices or paid family leave.

I think you’re dodging the issue I plucked as a way to ask: does the pentagon really need $10 billion more than was asked for?

It’s not me who hates poor people, it’s the two-party system.

Biden represented his campaign pledges here, but the Senators are also representing theirs, and Joe Manchin sure as hell didn't get voted into the Senate by saying he'd spend insane amounts of money to give people tons of free shit. And people around the country didn't want that, otherwise they would have elected more Democrats into the Senate. So there has to be compromise,or nothing gets done. Every elected official can't make good on all their campaign promises.

You hate the poor because you want the infrastructure bill and smaller reconciliation bills, which help in many ways the working class and the poor, to fail so that you can make a point about how much you want to help the poor.

I don't know the details of why the extra 10 billion went to the Pentagon, I would guess it's not as simple as "Joe wants to spend money on war!". In general I think we spend way too much on the military. But that's a separate issue.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:17 am

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:04 am
bikes and whatnot sure...but that doesn't work for millions of us that don't live in the city. I'm not riding my bike to the grocery store for 1 bag of groceries everyday....I'd never get anything else done. Just full time job getting groceries

Rural folks in spread out communities is one thing. But I’d imagine the majority of the world’s population lives within bike riding distance of a store.

Now, whether they’re able to, and whether more Mericans in particular are even willing to get off their fat asses and ride a bike a few blocks, is a whole different thing yet.

Or walk. We have several stores about 10 minutes walk from us, at the major intersection near our house. While it’s very tempting to drive about three minutes we often walk and pick up a few things. In my neighborhood the streets are well lit and sidewalks are well maintained. Also where we live we can walk to the store most of the year.

Finally though, we need to get out of the mindset of NEEDING to drive to the store for every little whim and learn to plan our trips and learn alternatives when we don’t have EXACTLY what we want at that time

Right on. (In response to mjl)

I’ve been labeled as hating the rich, but now I’m labeled as hating the poor too. Guess I hate everyone. That’s pretty metal. \m/

And I’ll admit I haven’t paid attention to every little detail about these bills, but at least that article headline got my attention. It makes it sound like we’re scrapping ideas to directly help Mericans - poor people, even! - and just throwing more money at the MIC instead. Not sure how that makes it a separate issue.

And zsn and generally to the discussion on energy, one of the big ironies is that all the skiers and hikers and hunters and fishermen and other environmental types have a much greater carbon footprint driving their SUVs up to the mountains every weekend, than the urban hipsters riding their bikes to their barista jobs and first fridays and PBR dives.

bro I literally JUST started a thread on energy

I think the Biden administration is finally framing a wealth tax correctly, clearly feeding the media (see below) the talking point that this would apply to fewer than 1,000 people.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/25/politics ... index.html

elon musk is pissed lol

This was his quote,

‘Eventually, they run out of other people’s money and then they come for you’

Yeah, Elon, they already take 24% of my income every year, now they're asking you to pay some taxes too. poor guy.

They've been taking it from we the 99.999% for years.

What’s that one quote?

“That we don’t have the rich on the run says more about us than them”

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 12:16 pm This was his quote,

‘Eventually, they run out of other people’s money and then they come for you’

Yeah, Elon, they already take 24% of my income every year, now they're asking you to pay some taxes too. poor guy.

They've been taking it from we the 99.999% for years.

You have to remember that most of these people think of themselves a demigods.

Speaking of campaign promises, Dems drop family and medical leave from the senate bill.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 5:53 pm Speaking of campaign promises, Dems drop family and medical leave from the senate bill.

How is it dropping a promise when the whole problem is many people who promised these things didn't get elected? Again, Manchin certainly never promised this, and neither did the 50 Republicans.

Didn’t uncle joe?

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:03 pm Didn’t uncle joe?

What do you expect him to do?

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 5:53 pm Speaking of campaign promises, Dems drop family and medical leave from the senate bill.

I guess it would have been ok if he had said that Mexico would pay for it