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Kennedy, a lifelong democrat, is now supposedly considering running as an independent

Says the democrats are rigging the primaries

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:29 am Kennedy, a lifelong democrat, is now supposedly considering running as an independent

Says the democrats are rigging the primaries

(An independent run would confirm what your average cactus has known all along: RFK Jr. is not interested in keeping a Republican out of the White House.)

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:55 am

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:29 am Kennedy, a lifelong democrat, is now supposedly considering running as an independent

Says the democrats are rigging the primaries

(An independent run would confirm what your average cactus has known all along: RFK Jr. is not interested in keeping a Republican out of the White House.)

How dare he!

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:03 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:55 am

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:29 am Kennedy, a lifelong democrat, is now supposedly considering running as an independent

Says the democrats are rigging the primaries

(An independent run would confirm what your average cactus has known all along: RFK Jr. is not interested in keeping a Republican out of the White House.)

How dare he!

I would have no issue with RFK Jr. being honest for a change.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:37 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:03 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:55 am

(An independent run would confirm what your average cactus has known all along: RFK Jr. is not interested in keeping a Republican out of the White House.)

How dare he!

I would have no issue with RFK Jr. being honest for a change.

I've reached the point where I'm ready to wash my hands of the whole mess. They're all liars, narcissists, and hypocrites who don't care at all about the people. It's really discouraging.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:09 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:37 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:03 am

How dare he!

I would have no issue with RFK Jr. being honest for a change.

I've reached the point where I'm ready to wash my hands of the whole mess. They're all liars, narcissists, and hypocrites who don't care at all about the people. It's really discouraging.

You have to fundamentally be a narcissist to believe that you should be the voice of millions. It's not a bad thing to be for some purposes but it is a characteristic that has some negative side effects.

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:29 am Kennedy, a lifelong democrat, is now supposedly considering running as an independent

Says the democrats are rigging the primaries

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... y-primary/

They are saying a lot of dumb things that are not accurate. Seems par for the course for him. Just more pandering to the tin foil hat crowd.

But if JFK Jr. remains in the primary running once my state has its primary then I will be happy to vote against JFK Jr. so he can rest assured that he was given a chance to win.

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:49 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:09 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:37 am

I would have no issue with RFK Jr. being honest for a change.

I've reached the point where I'm ready to wash my hands of the whole mess. They're all liars, narcissists, and hypocrites who don't care at all about the people. It's really discouraging.

You have to fundamentally be a narcissist to believe that you should be the voice of millions. It's not a bad thing to be for some purposes but it is a characteristic that has some negative side effects.

I get that. I guess I have enough idealist left in me that I find it hard to imagine Washington, Jefferson, or Lincoln thinking of themselves that way. Seems like there still might be some good people out there somewhere.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:53 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:49 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:09 am

I've reached the point where I'm ready to wash my hands of the whole mess. They're all liars, narcissists, and hypocrites who don't care at all about the people. It's really discouraging.

You have to fundamentally be a narcissist to believe that you should be the voice of millions. It's not a bad thing to be for some purposes but it is a characteristic that has some negative side effects.

I get that. I guess I have enough idealist left in me that I find it hard to imagine Washington, Jefferson, or Lincoln thinking of themselves that way. Seems like there still might be some good people out there somewhere.

Well, the population of the entire US in 1776 was about 2.5 million, which is now the population of the greater Pittsburgh metro area. So things have changed a bit since those days.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:53 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:49 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:09 am

I've reached the point where I'm ready to wash my hands of the whole mess. They're all liars, narcissists, and hypocrites who don't care at all about the people. It's really discouraging.

You have to fundamentally be a narcissist to believe that you should be the voice of millions. It's not a bad thing to be for some purposes but it is a characteristic that has some negative side effects.

I get that. I guess I have enough idealist left in me that I find it hard to imagine Washington, Jefferson, or Lincoln thinking of themselves that way. Seems like there still might be some good people out there somewhere.

I think, to a (clearly very significant) degree, your dispiritedness is evidence of the success of Russia's and the far right's two-step campaign to (1) blow Hunter's problems WAY out of proportion, and (2) attach - without meaningful evidence - Joe Biden to Hunter's problems.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:00 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:53 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:49 am

You have to fundamentally be a narcissist to believe that you should be the voice of millions. It's not a bad thing to be for some purposes but it is a characteristic that has some negative side effects.

I get that. I guess I have enough idealist left in me that I find it hard to imagine Washington, Jefferson, or Lincoln thinking of themselves that way. Seems like there still might be some good people out there somewhere.

I think, to a (clearly very significant) degree, your dispiritedness is evidence of the success of Russia's and the far right's two-step campaign to (1) blow Hunter's problems WAY out of proportion, and (2) attach - without meaningful evidence - Joe Biden to Hunter's problems.

To me, it just shows how weary we are all getting of our shitty choices in nominees. The problem is that there are better alternatives out there that people just won't choose because they are too boring. People want a humble servant of the people but they dismiss those people because they aren't the big personalities who get people excited. Just another example of the American people getting in their own way.

Kennedy running as an independent could hurt Trump. Doesn't need to peel away that many voters to make a difference (e.g. Ralph Nader)

Rfkj is one of the most honest politicians I've seen in awhile. He deliberately challenges big pharma and the deep state

I haven't heard a good argument on voting against him... who's the candidate you'd rather support?

See?

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:04 pm Rfkj is one of the most honest politicians I've seen in awhile. He deliberately challenges big pharma and the deep state

I haven't heard a good argument on voting against him... who's the candidate you'd rather support?

What has RFK Jr. done to challenge Big Pharma other than to rant about them in videos? That's useless and challenges nothing.

Joe Biden has done actual things that matter to challenge Big Pharma but he's allegedly the worst President you've ever seen

mjl2 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:09 pmSee?

I know, it's so dumb. Post a video of a conspiracy that the goofballs believe and suddenly you're "honest and challenging Big Pharma".

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:04 pm Rfkj is one of the most honest politicians I've seen in awhile. He deliberately challenges big pharma and the deep state

I haven't heard a good argument on voting against him... who's the candidate you'd rather support?

Those of us without your and Jr.'s grasp of virology, pharmacology, molecular immunology, infectious disease, public health, and epidemiology are left thinking of Jr. as an attention whore and conspiracy theorist, no doubt as a result of our ignorance, and a sense of envy.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:00 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:53 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:49 am

You have to fundamentally be a narcissist to believe that you should be the voice of millions. It's not a bad thing to be for some purposes but it is a characteristic that has some negative side effects.

I get that. I guess I have enough idealist left in me that I find it hard to imagine Washington, Jefferson, or Lincoln thinking of themselves that way. Seems like there still might be some good people out there somewhere.

I think, to a (clearly very significant) degree, your dispiritedness is evidence of the success of Russia's and the far right's two-step campaign to (1) blow Hunter's problems WAY out of proportion, and (2) attach - without meaningful evidence - Joe Biden to Hunter's problems.

Biden - good man or bad man - is cognitively compromised, and the economic fruits of his presidency, which are the only outcomes I really care about, are dreadful.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:18 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:00 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:53 am

I get that. I guess I have enough idealist left in me that I find it hard to imagine Washington, Jefferson, or Lincoln thinking of themselves that way. Seems like there still might be some good people out there somewhere.

I think, to a (clearly very significant) degree, your dispiritedness is evidence of the success of Russia's and the far right's two-step campaign to (1) blow Hunter's problems WAY out of proportion, and (2) attach - without meaningful evidence - Joe Biden to Hunter's problems.

Biden - good man or bad man - is cognitively compromised, and the economic fruits of his presidency, which are the only outcomes I really care about, are dreadful.

Ok. But we're having two, or maybe even three, conversations at once here I guess. I was responding to what appeared to be character concerns about Biden (as opposed to performance concerns or cognitive concerns).

In my opinion - without regard for whether one considers the "economic fruits of his presidency" to be dreadful or stellar or anything in between, and without regard for whether one considers Biden cognitively unfit or sharp-as-a-tack or anything in between - Biden is quite high character.

And, again in my opinion, assertions to the contrary are (and probably the conflation referenced above is) pretty obviously the result (the fruits?) of Russian/far-right disinformation.

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:08 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:00 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:53 am

I get that. I guess I have enough idealist left in me that I find it hard to imagine Washington, Jefferson, or Lincoln thinking of themselves that way. Seems like there still might be some good people out there somewhere.

I think, to a (clearly very significant) degree, your dispiritedness is evidence of the success of Russia's and the far right's two-step campaign to (1) blow Hunter's problems WAY out of proportion, and (2) attach - without meaningful evidence - Joe Biden to Hunter's problems.

To me, it just shows how weary we are all getting of our shitty choices in nominees. The problem is that there are better alternatives out there that people just won't choose because they are too boring. People want a humble servant of the people but they dismiss those people because they aren't the big personalities who get people excited. Just another example of the American people getting in their own way.

This is spot on, and very well put. And the media (of all stripes) very much inflames the issue.