Joel Embiid

[jfish26]

The praise for the Sixers and Celtics outsmarting the rest of the league has sure died down.


It was bad enough that Simmons looks useless to win big playoff games, and now you add on that he's on a trend to becoming a locker room cancer.

If he were a superstar, teams would be lining up for them. They're not. He's facing an unfulfilling good-regular-season-stat-player-on-bad-teams career.

He's a mega-sized Marcus Garrett. And it's just god damn hard to build a winning roster where the lead ballhandler has that kind of limitation!

[CrimsonNBlue]

The praise for the Sixers and Celtics outsmarting the rest of the league has sure died down.


It was bad enough that Simmons looks useless to win big playoff games, and now you add on that he's on a trend to becoming a locker room cancer.

If he were a superstar, teams would be lining up for them. They're not. He's facing an unfulfilling good-regular-season-stat-player-on-bad-teams career.

He's a mega-sized Marcus Garrett. And it's just god damn hard to build a winning roster where the lead ballhandler has that kind of limitation!

That's pretty apt.

Can't deny Ben's defense is really great and has great size. He's a useful player, but the Dubs didn't win all those titles with utility Draymond being their 2nd guy.

[jfish26]

The praise for the Sixers and Celtics outsmarting the rest of the league has sure died down.


It was bad enough that Simmons looks useless to win big playoff games, and now you add on that he's on a trend to becoming a locker room cancer.

If he were a superstar, teams would be lining up for them. They're not. He's facing an unfulfilling good-regular-season-stat-player-on-bad-teams career.

He's a mega-sized Marcus Garrett. And it's just god damn hard to build a winning roster where the lead ballhandler has that kind of limitation!

That's pretty apt.

Can't deny Ben's defense is really great and has great size. He's a useful player, but the Dubs didn't win all those titles with utility Draymond being their 2nd guy.

Right - a mega-sized Marcus Garrett can do some really really cool things!

BUT. It's just an enormous drag on your ceiling as a team.

[ousdahl]

Draymond is an interesting comparison.

Without knowing Draymond’s contracts, dunno if he ever got Ben kinda money either

[jfish26]

And even Draymond, at the height of his powers, was a >30% 3pt shooter (on 3-4 attempts/game).

Makes an enormous difference.

[ousdahl]

Mega Marcus Garrett is a fun comparison too, with the wildest part being, Garrett might be a considerably better shooter

[Deleted User 863]

The praise for the Sixers and Celtics outsmarting the rest of the league has sure died down.


It was bad enough that Simmons looks useless to win big playoff games, and now you add on that he's on a trend to becoming a locker room cancer.

If he were a superstar, teams would be lining up for them. They're not. He's facing an unfulfilling good-regular-season-stat-player-on-bad-teams career.

He and kyrie (and wiggins to a lesser extent) are now almost untouchable in trade scenarios.

[Deleted User 863]

Mega Marcus Garrett is a fun comparison too, with the wildest part being, Garrett might be a considerably better shooter

And considerably worse at everything else.

[ousdahl]

Well yeah.

But that’s the thing!

He’s a 2-way contract guy who may never play a single NBA possession, in large part cuz his knock is bad shooting

Yet still better shooting than the max contract all star we’re comparing him to

[Deleted User 863]

Ok?

[jfish26]

Well yeah.

But that’s the thing!

He’s a 2-way contract guy who may never play a single NBA possession, in large part cuz his knock is bad shooting

Yet still better shooting than the max contract all star we’re comparing him to

The whole "max contract, build around him" thing with Simmons is he was supposed to get better.

Instead, he stagnated physically and revealed himself to be really weak, mentally.

[ousdahl]

bro you were the one who had to point out he was considerably worse at everything else

[Deleted User 863]

[randylahey]

feels like the extra draft picks should be going the other way at this point. 76ers almost need to sweeten the pot to get rid of him, if they want a decent player in return

[Deleted User 863]

feels like the extra draft picks should be going the other way at this point. 76ers almost need to sweeten the pot to get rid of him, if they want a decent player in return

Ya. The 76ers are in major denial about his trade value.

[Sparko]

Lot of Marcus Garrett smack talk on here. Garrett was pretty good at the stripe and mid-range game. Simmons turned down dunks at the end last year. I agree that the 6ers probably need to aggressively add a few picks to get rid of Simmons.

[Deleted User 887]

6ers should trade Simmons to the Mercury for Griner.

[randylahey]

I dont think 8 have ever seen a players name/value deteriorate over night the way Simmons has

#1 overall pick max contract franchise guy to a guy that can't be traded

[ousdahl]

Re: stagnated physically, perhaps.

Re: revealing himself to being weak mentally, that was already suggested by the fact a dude making his kind of money to play basketball never got around sooner to developing a shot.

[Deleted User 863]

Time to be realistic and do what's best for the team....which is build around simmons and embiid (or at least pretend to).