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Re: Joel Embiid
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:10 am
by jfish26
CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:33 am
The praise for the Sixers and Celtics outsmarting the rest of the league has sure died down.
It was bad enough that Simmons looks useless to win big playoff games, and now you add on that he's on a trend to becoming a locker room cancer.
If he were a superstar, teams would be lining up for them. They're not. He's facing an unfulfilling good-regular-season-stat-player-on-bad-teams career.
He's a mega-sized Marcus Garrett. And it's just
god damn hard to build a winning roster where the lead ballhandler has that kind of limitation!
Re: Joel Embiid
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:14 am
by CrimsonNBlue
jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:10 am
CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:33 am
The praise for the Sixers and Celtics outsmarting the rest of the league has sure died down.
It was bad enough that Simmons looks useless to win big playoff games, and now you add on that he's on a trend to becoming a locker room cancer.
If he were a superstar, teams would be lining up for them. They're not. He's facing an unfulfilling good-regular-season-stat-player-on-bad-teams career.
He's a mega-sized Marcus Garrett. And it's just
god damn hard to build a winning roster where the lead ballhandler has that kind of limitation!
That's pretty apt.
Can't deny Ben's defense is really great and has great size. He's a useful player, but the Dubs didn't win all those titles with utility Draymond being their 2nd guy.
Re: Joel Embiid
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:16 am
by jfish26
CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:14 am
jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:10 am
CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:33 am
The praise for the Sixers and Celtics outsmarting the rest of the league has sure died down.
It was bad enough that Simmons looks useless to win big playoff games, and now you add on that he's on a trend to becoming a locker room cancer.
If he were a superstar, teams would be lining up for them. They're not. He's facing an unfulfilling good-regular-season-stat-player-on-bad-teams career.
He's a mega-sized Marcus Garrett. And it's just
god damn hard to build a winning roster where the lead ballhandler has that kind of limitation!
That's pretty apt.
Can't deny Ben's defense is really great and has great size. He's a useful player, but the Dubs didn't win all those titles with utility Draymond being their 2nd guy.
Right - a mega-sized Marcus Garrett can do some really really cool things!
BUT. It's just an enormous drag on your ceiling as a team.
Re: Joel Embiid
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:27 am
by ousdahl
Draymond is an interesting comparison.
Without knowing Draymond’s contracts, dunno if he ever got Ben kinda money either
Re: Joel Embiid
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:32 am
by jfish26
And even Draymond, at the height of his powers, was a >30% 3pt shooter (on 3-4 attempts/game).
Makes an enormous difference.
Re: Joel Embiid
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:40 am
by ousdahl
Mega Marcus Garrett is a fun comparison too, with the wildest part being, Garrett might be a considerably better shooter
Re: Joel Embiid
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:49 am
by Deleted User 863
CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:33 am
The praise for the Sixers and Celtics outsmarting the rest of the league has sure died down.
It was bad enough that Simmons looks useless to win big playoff games, and now you add on that he's on a trend to becoming a locker room cancer.
If he were a superstar, teams would be lining up for them. They're not. He's facing an unfulfilling good-regular-season-stat-player-on-bad-teams career.
He and kyrie (and wiggins to a lesser extent) are now almost untouchable in trade scenarios.
Re: Joel Embiid
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:50 am
by Deleted User 863
ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:40 am
Mega Marcus Garrett is a fun comparison too, with the wildest part being, Garrett might be a considerably better shooter
And considerably worse at everything else.
Re: Joel Embiid
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:56 am
by ousdahl
Well yeah.
But that’s the thing!
He’s a 2-way contract guy who may never play a single NBA possession, in large part cuz his knock is bad shooting
Yet still better shooting than the max contract all star we’re comparing him to
Re: Joel Embiid
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:28 pm
by Deleted User 863
Ok?
Re: Joel Embiid
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:31 pm
by jfish26
ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:56 am
Well yeah.
But that’s the thing!
He’s a 2-way contract guy who may never play a single NBA possession, in large part cuz his knock is bad shooting
Yet still better shooting than the max contract all star we’re comparing him to
The whole "max contract, build around him" thing with Simmons is he was supposed to
get better.
Instead, he stagnated physically and revealed himself to be really weak, mentally.
Re: Joel Embiid
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:31 pm
by ousdahl
bro you were the one who had to point out he was considerably worse at everything else
Re: Joel Embiid
Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2021 5:51 pm
by Deleted User 863
Re: Joel Embiid
Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2021 6:03 pm
by randylahey
feels like the extra draft picks should be going the other way at this point. 76ers almost need to sweeten the pot to get rid of him, if they want a decent player in return
Re: Joel Embiid
Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2021 6:24 pm
by Deleted User 863
randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 6:03 pm
feels like the extra draft picks should be going the other way at this point. 76ers almost need to sweeten the pot to get rid of him, if they want a decent player in return
Ya. The 76ers are in major denial about his trade value.
Re: Joel Embiid
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:30 pm
by Sparko
Lot of Marcus Garrett smack talk on here. Garrett was pretty good at the stripe and mid-range game. Simmons turned down dunks at the end last year. I agree that the 6ers probably need to aggressively add a few picks to get rid of Simmons.
Re: Joel Embiid
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:02 pm
by Deleted User 887
6ers should trade Simmons to the Mercury for Griner.
Re: Joel Embiid
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:22 am
by randylahey
I dont think 8 have ever seen a players name/value deteriorate over night the way Simmons has
#1 overall pick max contract franchise guy to a guy that can't be traded
Re: Joel Embiid
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:17 am
by ousdahl
Re: stagnated physically, perhaps.
Re: revealing himself to being weak mentally, that was already suggested by the fact a dude making his kind of money to play basketball never got around sooner to developing a shot.
Re: Joel Embiid
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:52 am
by Deleted User 863
Time to be realistic and do what's best for the team....which is build around simmons and embiid (or at least pretend to).