Kansas Crimson

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 8:54 am Yea.

Sure is difficult to look past the Cold War capitalist conditioning.

JFC

you've had to come on here and ask for advice unclogging a sink and for strategies to outsmart the critters beating you to wild berries.

You think you're ready for life with society broken down where everyone has to fend for themselves?

that's what I'm saying...it needs to be better organized than everyone having to fend for themselves!

like I said, I don't have all the answers. But many of them - to answer your hypothetical questions - could be taken care of with, like I said, robust mutual aid.

and to be honest, I don't mind working. Far from it! I can get a sense of satisfaction from working hard, and from being able to see the fruits of my labor.

But, in a bigger general sense, I do have hesitations about working in a capitalist system, for the disproportionate benefit of the capitalist class, when one's hard work may not even be able to provide things like healthcare or groceries or heat or electricity.

ahhh, to be 20 again

oh, wait…

KUTradition wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 8:10 am

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 6:16 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 7:55 am

(And I’ve long opined the single best thing this country could do for ourselves would be a general strike)

What does a "general strike" look like to you? Just curious.

he has zero clue, but it sounds edgy and woke, and his entitled yuppy hippy chicks open their legs for such things

Prolly someone’s wife to be. Maybe someone on this site. Best not to ask the Mrs. Her history, though.

gas is $3.99/gallon for regular where i live.

hopefully cnn campaigning for comma'la will bring that down.

comma,la

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 9:59 am gas is $3.99/gallon for regular where i live.

hopefully cnn campaigning for comma'la will bring that down.

$2.87 here. You probably have a distribution challenge up there

Sparko wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:10 am

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 9:59 am gas is $3.99/gallon for regular where i live.

hopefully cnn campaigning for comma'la will bring that down.

$2.87 here. You probably have a distribution challenge up there

$2.99 here last week.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 9:21 am that's what I'm saying...it needs to be better organized than everyone having to fend for themselves!

like I said, I don't have all the answers. But many of them - to answer your hypothetical questions - could be taken care of with, like I said, robust mutual aid.

and to be honest, I don't mind working. Far from it! I can get a sense of satisfaction from working hard, and from being able to see the fruits of my labor.

But, in a bigger general sense, I do have hesitations about working in a capitalist system, for the disproportionate benefit of the capitalist class, when one's hard work may not even be able to provide things like healthcare or groceries or heat or electricity.

"Robust mutual aid"? Where do you read this stuff? Do you think there is going to be some magical entity who pays everyone so they can still live while on this mythical strike that accomplishes some magical reset of the entire system in your mind?

Like I said, it is a discussion point over beers only, not something that could ever be done in the real world. There's nothing wrong with that.

If your hard work doesn't result in enough money to pay for your basic needs then you have to adjust what you think you really need and/or put that hard work into something that generates more money.

Shirley wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:11 am

Sparko wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:10 am

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 9:59 am gas is $3.99/gallon for regular where i live.

hopefully cnn campaigning for comma'la will bring that down.

$2.87 here. You probably have a distribution challenge up there

$2.99 here last week.

We're in the $2.99-$3.09 range depending on where you go in town. I buy gas so infrequently now that I am not that great at remembering what I paid. I gas up maybe once every couple of weeks.

once upon a time, democracy too was just "a discussion point over beers only."

"How could we possibly envision a life beyond this status quo? Now let's get another round of coorses."

Ous: one party seems pretty good at addressing your grievances. And yet you go back to the pre-Lenin worldview. "All you have to gain is chains" with that thinking.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:16 am once upon a time, democracy too was just "a discussion point over beers only."

"How could we possibly envision a life beyond this status quo? Now let's get another round of coorses."

That line will hit well with the ladies but won't get you anything here. What problems does your solution fix and what problems does it cause? There is no way that you could even possibly drum up a complete list of all of the cataclysmic impacts of such an event.

Democracy over beers in the civitas. 3,000 years of speculation.

Sparko wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:16 am Ous: one party seems pretty good at addressing your grievances. And yet you go back to the pre-Lenin worldview. "All you have to gain is chains" with that thinking.

I am the walrus?

the stock market has not responded favorably to president biden retiring.

gas prices have not responded favorably to president biden retiring.

Stocks were up 700 points when Harris took on the campaign. Dow up 230 points so far just today. And she'll call your Shell station.

you can't bs a bs'er. the market has been down since it opened monday.

gas prices up .30 a gallon since monday.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 9:21 am that's what I'm saying...it needs to be better organized than everyone having to fend for themselves!

like I said, I don't have all the answers. But many of them - to answer your hypothetical questions - could be taken care of with, like I said, robust mutual aid.

and to be honest, I don't mind working. Far from it! I can get a sense of satisfaction from working hard, and from being able to see the fruits of my labor.

But, in a bigger general sense, I do have hesitations about working in a capitalist system, for the disproportionate benefit of the capitalist class, when one's hard work may not even be able to provide things like healthcare or groceries or heat or electricity.

I am beating a dead horse, but until you get some skin in the game, no one will take you seriously. Organizing means someone has to step up and lead. Someone has to make the sacrifice and do the work. You live in one of the most liberal progressive States in the US. Draft some like minded trustafarians to bank roll this thing. Invoke the spirit of homeboy Rodolfo Gonzales and organize and hit the streets. Start a commune, join a commune, put your theories to the test.

Get some skin in the game and get back to us. Talk is easy.

But back to Uncle Joe. It was a good speech last night. He is leaving on a high note. He should feel good about that.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 9:21 am that's what I'm saying...it needs to be better organized than everyone having to fend for themselves!

We do not have a significant enough of our population that is capable of feeding themselves to even begin to think about what you're suggesting.

Of our 333 million people, maybe what, 5% is capable of that? I know I am not. If I had to provide food for my family by hunting/fishing/harvesting, we'd be fucked. I can't shoot worth a shit, if it's moving even slightly, it's safe. I can fish, but I'd have to loot WalMart for supplies before it got picked over once society shutdown. Gardening? Sure, maybe. But those don't sprout up over night.


Your idea would cause a massive loss of life in less than 4 weeks. People in hospitals would die. Elderly would die. Children would die.

And then, the people with all the guns would start taking from the people without guns.