Kansas Crimson

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:16 am once upon a time, democracy too was just "a discussion point over beers only."

"How could we possibly envision a life beyond this status quo? Now let's get another round of coorses."

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:39 am you can't bs a bs'er. the market has been down since it opened monday.

gas prices up .30 a gallon since monday.

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:51 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 9:21 am that's what I'm saying...it needs to be better organized than everyone having to fend for themselves!

We do not have a significant enough of our population that is capable of feeding themselves to even begin to think about what you're suggesting.

Of our 333 million people, maybe what, 5% is capable of that? I know I am not. If I had to provide food for my family by hunting/fishing/harvesting, we'd be fucked. I can't shoot worth a shit, if it's moving even slightly, it's safe. I can fish, but I'd have to loot WalMart for supplies before it got picked over once society shutdown. Gardening? Sure, maybe. But those don't sprout up over night.


Your idea would cause a massive loss of life in less than 4 weeks. People in hospitals would die. Elderly would die. Children would die.

And then, the people with all the guns would start taking from the people without guns.

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 11:13 am Yeah, but those that survive The Purge would be sitting pretty, right?!? Hopefully they know how to do all of the jobs previously done by people who die in said purge.

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 11:10 am

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:39 am you can't bs a bs'er. the market has been down since it opened monday.

gas prices up .30 a gallon since monday.

The market is down what, less than 1% in that time period?

So dramatic. I hope we recover OK.

KUTradition wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:35 pm 2.8% growth in the 2nd quarter

japhy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:44 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 9:21 am that's what I'm saying...it needs to be better organized than everyone having to fend for themselves!

like I said, I don't have all the answers. But many of them - to answer your hypothetical questions - could be taken care of with, like I said, robust mutual aid.

and to be honest, I don't mind working. Far from it! I can get a sense of satisfaction from working hard, and from being able to see the fruits of my labor.

But, in a bigger general sense, I do have hesitations about working in a capitalist system, for the disproportionate benefit of the capitalist class, when one's hard work may not even be able to provide things like healthcare or groceries or heat or electricity.

I am beating a dead horse, but until you get some skin in the game, no one will take you seriously. Organizing means someone has to step up and lead. Someone has to make the sacrifice and do the work. You live in one of the most liberal progressive States in the US. Draft some like minded trustafarians to bank roll this thing. Invoke the spirit of homeboy Rodolfo Gonzales and organize and hit the streets. Start a commune, join a commune, put your theories to the test.

Get some skin in the game and get back to us. Talk is easy.

But back to Uncle Joe. It was a good speech last night. He is leaving on a high note. He should feel good about that.

KUTradition wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:32 pm Not sure where Mich gets his news.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:44 pm thanks Japhy. You are among a great minority in at least being able to imagine some idea of what it might take to organize.

It's light years ahead of everyone else here responding to calls to "look past the Cold War capitalist conditioning" with...um, obliviously refraining the Cold War capitalist conditioning.

and yea, I know, it's single-handedly up to me to overthrow all of capitalism.

japhy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:44 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:44 pm thanks Japhy. You are among a great minority in at least being able to imagine some idea of what it might take to organize.

It's light years ahead of everyone else here responding to calls to "look past the Cold War capitalist conditioning" with...um, obliviously refraining the Cold War capitalist conditioning.

and yea, I know, it's single-handedly up to me to overthrow all of capitalism.

I don't have to imagine, I have had to do it. Big dreams are just bullshit if you don't decide to make them happen and then commit to following it through, whatever that means.

And let's be clear, you are never going to "overthrow capitalism". And I am capitalism incarnate and would never support such nonsensical talk. Engaging with capitalism is the best way to change it. Capitalism isn't all greed and bilking the rubes. Capitalism can be about providing a necessary service or product to people who need them in a fair, ethical and honest way. You get to choose.

If you want to change "the system", "the culture", anything; first you have to engage with it and understand it and figure out how it works and work within it. I think you have barely scratched the surface of all of that.

I will stay it again, get some skin in the game.

And before you try to fix the whole world, find something you can fix. Something manageable, something realistic, and put together a team and make it happen. The best way to get anyone to take you seriously is to build a truck record, a list of measurable accomplishments. And if you have to start by working on someone else's project so be it. Everything is a valuable learning experince if you use it that way.

japhy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:44 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:44 pm thanks Japhy. You are among a great minority in at least being able to imagine some idea of what it might take to organize.

It's light years ahead of everyone else here responding to calls to "look past the Cold War capitalist conditioning" with...um, obliviously refraining the Cold War capitalist conditioning.

and yea, I know, it's single-handedly up to me to overthrow all of capitalism.

I don't have to imagine, I have had to do it. Big dreams are just bullshit if you don't decide to make them happen and then commit to following it through, whatever that means.

And let's be clear, you are never going to "overthrow capitalism". And I am capitalism incarnate and would never support such nonsensical talk. Engaging with capitalism is the best way to change it. Capitalism isn't all greed and bilking the rubes. Capitalism can be about providing a necessary service or product to people who need them in a fair, ethical and honest way. You get to choose.

If you want to change "the system", "the culture", anything; first you have to engage with it and understand it and figure out how it works and work within it. I think you have barely scratched the surface of all of that.

I will stay it again, get some skin in the game.

And before you try to fix the whole world, find something you can fix. Something manageable, something realistic, and put together a team and make it happen. The best way to get anyone to take you seriously is to build a truck record, a list of measurable accomplishments. And if you have to start by working on someone else's project so be it. Everything is a valuable learning experince if you use it that way.

KUTradition wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 4:39 pm

japhy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:44 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:44 pm thanks Japhy. You are among a great minority in at least being able to imagine some idea of what it might take to organize.

It's light years ahead of everyone else here responding to calls to "look past the Cold War capitalist conditioning" with...um, obliviously refraining the Cold War capitalist conditioning.

and yea, I know, it's single-handedly up to me to overthrow all of capitalism.

I don't have to imagine, I have had to do it. Big dreams are just bullshit if you don't decide to make them happen and then commit to following it through, whatever that means.

And let's be clear, you are never going to "overthrow capitalism". And I am capitalism incarnate and would never support such nonsensical talk. Engaging with capitalism is the best way to change it. Capitalism isn't all greed and bilking the rubes. Capitalism can be about providing a necessary service or product to people who need them in a fair, ethical and honest way. You get to choose.

If you want to change "the system", "the culture", anything; first you have to engage with it and understand it and figure out how it works and work within it. I think you have barely scratched the surface of all of that.

I will stay it again, get some skin in the game.

And before you try to fix the whole world, find something you can fix. Something manageable, something realistic, and put together a team and make it happen. The best way to get anyone to take you seriously is to build a truck record, a list of measurable accomplishments. And if you have to start by working on someone else's project so be it. Everything is a valuable learning experince if you use it that way.

this sounds so very déjà vu

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