Kansas Crimson

Starts with getting the conservation groups out of bed with the entertainment and fishing industriea they claim to be fighting

lol...no

it starts with companies like pepsi and coca-cola doing like GM and setting an example

otherwise, i’m of the firm belief that this is the exact sort of arena where federal regulations would do wonders. manufacturers need to stop with all the number classifications when the overwhelming majority of those classifications can’t be recycled, and end up being sorted out of the general recycling and young into landfills. the average consumer doesn’t know this, and thinks that if it’s got a number that it must be recyclable.

it also starts with things like cities regulating the use of plastic bags, and other single-use plastics

So youre ok with the conservation groups and the fisheries retail being branches of the same parent corporation? Seems a conflict of interest no? Dolphin safe is a paid for label with no guarantee of any particular practices

Much like LEED certification on a building

TDub wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 4:44 pm So youre ok with the conservation groups and the fisheries retail being branches of the same parent corporation? Seems a conflict of interest no? Dolphin safe is a paid for label with no guarantee of any particular practices

which groups are you referencing, specifically?

you’re painting with an awful broad brush

generally, no, i wouldn’t be supportive of such relationships on their face. however, there may be nuance in those relationships to where there is some actual good that comes from it. i’m not familiar enough to comment more than that, but give me specific names of groups and i’d be happy to look more closely at it.

your comment struck me as one that is similar to dolomite/imz railing about dicaprio pushing a pro-environment agenda...it’s rather strawman-ish

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 5:25 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 4:44 pm So youre ok with the conservation groups and the fisheries retail being branches of the same parent corporation? Seems a conflict of interest no? Dolphin safe is a paid for label with no guarantee of any particular practices

which groups are you referencing, specifically?

you’re painting with an awful broad brush

generally, no, i wouldn’t be supportive of such relationships on their face. however, there may be nuance in those relationships to where there is some actual good that comes from it. i’m not familiar enough to comment more than that, but give me specific names of groups and i’d be happy to look more closely at it.

your comment struck me as one that is similar to dolomite/imz railing about dicaprio pushing a pro-environment agenda...it’s rather strawman-ish

Earth Island Institute

Marine Stewarship Council

TDub wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 5:41 pm

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 5:25 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 4:44 pm So youre ok with the conservation groups and the fisheries retail being branches of the same parent corporation? Seems a conflict of interest no? Dolphin safe is a paid for label with no guarantee of any particular practices

which groups are you referencing, specifically?

you’re painting with an awful broad brush

generally, no, i wouldn’t be supportive of such relationships on their face. however, there may be nuance in those relationships to where there is some actual good that comes from it. i’m not familiar enough to comment more than that, but give me specific names of groups and i’d be happy to look more closely at it.

your comment struck me as one that is similar to dolomite/imz railing about dicaprio pushing a pro-environment agenda...it’s rather strawman-ish

Earth Island Institute

Marine Stewarship Council

EII: founded by the David Bowser, the same David Bowser that founded the Sierra Club and the League of Conservation Voters

MSC: it definitely has problems, but even it’s most fervent critics support the idea behind what they’re trying to do

news flash! no commercial fishing that is being done today is sustainable

from what else i can find, it looks like EII is trying to improve the reliability of the MSC labels, so that consumers aren’t getting duped, particularly as it relates to dolphin by-catch

how would you recommend fixing the misleading labeling of seafood?

in my mind, it’s a lot like “organic”...it can mean many different things commercially and does not always = healthy or more sustainable. similarly, and i’ve commented about this before, but what about the false labeling of plastics?

seems like there should be some sort of watchdog group or organization that would be looking out for consumers...BCP and FTC come to mind, and even the FDA. problem is, none of them are mandated to do the sort of thing MSC initially set out to do...nobody does, really

again though, TDub, what parent company are they both a part of?

if your only information is from the Netflix docu-drama, i’d suggest digging deeper. unsurprisingly, it sounds like Seaspiracy intentionally left out quite a few details when it comes to “dolphin-safe” labels

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... rticipants

imo, the MSC has done much more good than harm

i’d really appreciate it if you’d provide the sources that informed your view

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 2:25 pm i meant to make this comment yesterday, but if “we” don’t do something about the plastic problem, everything else may end up being moot

This. Immediately, and in concerted fashion. Among a hundred other things. I am not optimistic.

China's emissions now exceed all the developed world's combined

from Nat Geo:

Judging from tree rings, today’s megadrought is the second worst in 1,200 years, Borunda writes. It’s worse than the one that, in the 13th century, led Ancestral Pueblo people to abandon the famous cliff dwellings at Mesa Verde. There’s no mass flight out of the West so far: In most Colorado River Basin states, the population is growing faster than the national average, according to the latest census figures.

more good news:

keystone xl pipeline has been scrapped

and then there’s this:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvzvvd/ ... ate-change

Texas Republican Rep. Louie Gohmert suggests that climate change is caused by Earth’s orbit around the sun, and to fix it, he’s thinking maybe a government agency could alter its path.

The comments came during a House Natural Resources hearing Tuesday. During the conversation, Gohmert conflated the ideas of climate change, planetary orbit, and solar flares—asking if the National Forest Service or the Bureau of Land Management could ultimately move the moon or Earth.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:53 pm more good news:

keystone xl pipeline has been scrapped

That oil is still going to move. So....instead of in a contained pipeline it is now going to be trucked.....and then shipped. Trucking and shipping has a much higher likelihood of spills than a pipeline. So, a win as far as not building the actual pipeline.....not so sure about a win as far as overall environmental impact is concerned. A loss for the several thousand people who were going to work on it.

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:37 pm

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:53 pm more good news:

keystone xl pipeline has been scrapped

That oil is still going to move. So....instead of in a contained pipeline it is now going to be trucked.....and then shipped. Trucking and shipping has a much higher likelihood of spills than a pipeline. So, a win as far as not building the actual pipeline.....not so sure about a win as far as overall environmental impact is concerned. A loss for the several thousand people who were going to work on it.

not as much will be moved, and it’ll now be moved over land that has already been fucked up by development versus through undisturbed wetlands and prairie

i agree that there may be a higher likelihood for a disaster, but if such a disaster happens, it’ll likely be on a much smaller scale than would be the case in a pipeline rupture

Yea.

One pipeline breach equals how many truckloads of oil?

Agree with not building through prairies and wetlands is preferable...but to point of the other concerns.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article ... il-and-gas