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Re: 2022-2023 Lineup
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:13 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:02 pmINDEPENDENT
RESOLUTION PANEL
Members: 15 members
with legal, higher education
and/or sports backgrounds
who are not affiliated with
NCAA member schools or
conferences. Each case will
be handled by a panel of five
of the 15 members.
• Reviews allegations from
the Complex Case Unit and
the school’s response to
those allegations.
• Oversees the case hearing
and decides penalties.
• If appropriate, expands upon
allegations presented by the
Complex Case Unit.
As I stated, the NCAA will not be doling out the punishment for Kansas' case.
I read nonsensical bullshit like what I linked all the time and I can't make good sense out of it--and that is the simplest chart that the brains in Indianapolis could cook up which means behind it is even more co-mingling.
But, mostly, given the NCAA's decades long track record, it's just pretty naïve to not wonder about there being a fox in the henhouse.
Re: 2022-2023 Lineup
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:14 pm
by ousdahl
twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:08 pm
They also stated in late April 2021 that decisions on all 6 remaining cases ) Kansas, Memphis, North Carolina State, Arizona, LSU and Louisville) would be finished within the next 12 months. To my knowledge, only NC State has had their case resolutions announced and it has been nearly 14 months.
for allegations stemming from a 2017 case
in which a federal court found KU to be the victims of fraud.
Re: 2022-2023 Lineup
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:15 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
NCAA: our independent panel consists of 15 current and former members of the law firms of Polsinelli and Husch Blackwell. Overseeing the committee is a true neutral by the name of Bark Lemmert.
mhmm.
Re: 2022-2023 Lineup
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:26 pm
by Sparko
It would be incredible to see a penalty on supposed violations that are no longer violations. That is a real Catch 2022. And that is the biggest catch there is.
Re: 2022-2023 Lineup
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:49 pm
by twocoach
CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:15 pm
NCAA: our independent panel consists of 15 current and former members of the law firms of Polsinelli and Husch Blackwell. Overseeing the committee is a true neutral by the name of Bark Lemmert.
mhmm.
https://iarpcc.org/independent-resolution-panel/
I actually know one of the people on the IRP, Jeff Benz, from my teen years in the Detroit area. Super nice and brutally intelligent. I really hope he is one of the people who heard KU's case as his history in sports mediation has always been to err on the side of the athlete. He was recently on the committee that heard the case of the Russian figure skater at the Olympics.
Re: 2022-2023 Lineup
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:49 pm
by twocoach
Sparko wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:26 pm
It would be incredible to see a penalty on supposed violations that are no longer violations. That is a real Catch 2022. And that is the biggest catch there is.
I think it is still a violation to offer to find relatives jobs and cash if the player comes to your school.
Re: 2022-2023 Lineup
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:58 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:49 pm
CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:15 pm
NCAA: our independent panel consists of 15 current and former members of the law firms of Polsinelli and Husch Blackwell. Overseeing the committee is a true neutral by the name of Bark Lemmert.
mhmm.
https://iarpcc.org/independent-resolution-panel/
I actually know one of the people on the IRP, Jeff Benz, from my teen years in the Detroit area. Super nice and brutally intelligent. I really hope he is one of the people who heard KU's case as his history in sports mediation has always been to err on the side of the athlete. He was recently on the committee that heard the case of the Russian figure skater at the Olympics.
Look, I guess part of what I am saying is how many centuries have we witnessed authoritative bodies hide behind a veil of propriety. Complete with flow charts, subsidiaries, and shell companies galore.
Not going to go qusdahl, but this is the NC fuckin' AA.
Re: 2022-2023 Lineup
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:31 pm
by twocoach
CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:58 pm
twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:49 pm
CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:15 pm
NCAA: our independent panel consists of 15 current and former members of the law firms of Polsinelli and Husch Blackwell. Overseeing the committee is a true neutral by the name of Bark Lemmert.
mhmm.
https://iarpcc.org/independent-resolution-panel/
I actually know one of the people on the IRP, Jeff Benz, from my teen years in the Detroit area. Super nice and brutally intelligent. I really hope he is one of the people who heard KU's case as his history in sports mediation has always been to err on the side of the athlete. He was recently on the committee that heard the case of the Russian figure skater at the Olympics.
Look, I guess part of what I am saying is how many centuries have we witnessed authoritative bodies hide behind a veil of propriety. Complete with flow charts, subsidiaries, and shell companies galore.
Not going to go qusdahl, but this is the NC fuckin' AA.
I see what you are saying and I can certainly see the NCAA standing in the shadows loudly informing this panel what they think should happen. At this point, no ruling would truly surprise me. The NCAA has been consistent in only one thing over the years and that is in continually choosing to do the wrong thing.
Re: 2022-2023 Lineup
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 5:31 pm
by Deleted User 863
ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:14 pm
in which a federal court found KU to be the victims of fraud.
Are we seeking damages?
Re: 2022-2023 Lineup
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 5:39 pm
by Deleted User 863
twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:49 pm
I really hope he is one of the people who heard KU's case as his history in sports mediation has always been to err on the side of the athlete.
This isn't athlete vs school/ncaa.
It is school vs ncaa/"the rules".
Big difference.
Re: 2022-2023 Lineup
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 6:59 pm
by randylahey
feels like the wrong fucking thread boys
Re: 2022-2023 Lineup
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:53 pm
by twocoach
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 5:39 pm
twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:49 pm
I really hope he is one of the people who heard KU's case as his history in sports mediation has always been to err on the side of the athlete.
This isn't athlete vs school/ncaa.
It is school vs ncaa/"the rules".
Big difference.
The punishment will involve the school, the coaches and potentially the current athletes. Being "pro-athlete" makes it less likely that the current, uninvolved athletes are hit with a postseason ban that punishes them despite having nothing to do with them. At least that is my hope.
To bring it around to the thread topic, I am hoping that the IRP reaches a ruling that does not punish the 2022-23 lineup and allows them to play in the tourney next year if they perform to that level.
Re: 2022-2023 Lineup
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:54 pm
by twocoach
Sounds like Yesefu and MJ Rice were very impressive in today's camp scrimmage.
Re: 2022-2023 Lineup
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 10:02 pm
by randylahey
twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:54 pm
Sounds like Yesefu and MJ Rice were very impressive in today's camp scrimmage.
Interesting. Because pretty much all of us wonder just where they fit in this year
Re: 2022-2023 Lineup
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2022 5:22 am
by Deleted User 863
randylahey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 10:02 pm
twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:54 pm
Sounds like Yesefu and MJ Rice were very impressive in today's camp scrimmage.
Interesting. Because pretty much all of us wonder just where they fit in this year
Not me.
Both are safely in the rotation imo.
Re: 2022-2023 Lineup
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2022 7:31 am
by twocoach
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 09, 2022 5:22 am
randylahey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 10:02 pm
twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:54 pm
Sounds like Yesefu and MJ Rice were very impressive in today's camp scrimmage.
Interesting. Because pretty much all of us wonder just where they fit in this year
Not me.
Both are safely in the rotation imo.
We know they are in the rotation. The question is where. Are they contending for starting spots, first dudes off the bench or end of the rotation guys who play mostly when someone has early foul trouble? If they are high end rotation guys then KU is really good next season.
Re: 2022-2023 Lineup
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2022 7:50 am
by Deleted User 863
I think both will play a lot. 1 might even earn a starting spot. If Jalen plays the 4 it's possible both could start (possible, but not probable). If Jalen plays the 3 then I think KJ and Clemence start at the 4 and 5.
Re: 2022-2023 Lineup
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2022 9:16 am
by CrimsonNBlue
Ah, so it's that part of the year when everyone overreacts to a kids' camp scrimmage where the players are pretty much just fucking around.
Re: 2022-2023 Lineup
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2022 9:19 am
by CrimsonNBlue
My main concern right now is that Jank outscorced Elijah Johnson. But Big Lodge has some time to put it together.
Re: 2022-2023 Lineup
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2022 9:20 am
by twocoach
CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Jun 09, 2022 9:16 am
Ah, so it's that part of the year when everyone overreacts to a kids' camp scrimmage where the players are pretty much just fucking around.
It just makes me curious is all. I had considered both to be 2nd/3rd tier in the rotation picture in my head, which was built on basically nothing to be honest since we aren't seeing anyone play yet. I am hoping that everyone in those lower tiers looks like they should be 1st tier guys because I want KU to win another national title. That was fun and I'd like it to happen again.