Kansas Crimson

Perhaps the more likely consequence is restricting travel from certain high-risk places.

Just wait til tourists find out y’all’s beloved State of North Texas was actually named Colorado all along…

We live in what is considered by many to be the greatest, smartest, most technologically advanced, etc., etc., etc., country in the world. Meanwhile, we have a crapload of morons that bitch about "shutdowns" but then absolutely refuse to do what is required/necessary to help prevent them.
Go figure.

with as much time as you folks spend on the interwebs, you'd think you would know already that the fungus problem in America is over. America kicked its' @$$ outta here.

to steal a phrase "we owned it!"

NotGutterGutter wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:18 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:11 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:48 am not sure the areas with low vaccination rates would also be areas willing to shut down again.

Ya. It won't happen in rural IL. They didn't comply last time in many areas, so no chance they do so if there is a new shutdown.

Most of the businesses in Springfield (where i live) shutdown as ordered, but a few didn't....the city got the last laugh though since at least 1 of those places is now out of business because they had their liquor license revoked.

Ok, so if it doesn't happen in rural IL, what happens if it occurs in Chicago and other places where goods and services can/do affect those in rural IL?
I'm selfishly thinking that I am supposed to travel on vacation in mid September. If airlines, hotels, car rentals, concerts, sporting events, etc., are affected - I am not going to be a happy guy.

That's a question I can't answer.

My gut says that asking a bunch of rural bars/restaurants/offices to shutdown to help Chicagoland area (and other larger areas in IL) simply won't go over well at this point. Menard County sheriff (which is close to me, but made up of rural small towns) straight up refused to enforce the Governors orders last time (and were somewhat vocal about it locally). Similar things with rural counties in western IL.


The worst thing we could have done at the beginning was call it "2 weeks to flatten the curve" knowing damn well that 2 weeks wasn't going to be nearly enough.

I am starting to think at this point covid may be around for good. Like a more deadly flu....to be honest, with the improvements in treatment, as well as the fact that most of the people dying are not vaccinated, i am not sure a shutdown is worth it again. The shutdowns worked imo, but hardly eradicated the virus. Not to mention IL is one of the states who met the vaccination goal of 70% (iirc) and yet we are still seeing a surge of cases.

NotGutterGutter wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:28 am We live in what is considered by many to be the greatest, smartest, most technologically advanced, etc., etc., etc., country in the world. Meanwhile, we have a crapload of morons that bitch about "shutdowns" but then absolutely refuse to do what is required/necessary to help prevent them.
Go figure.

(This isn't my opinion fwiw)

A lot of those people don't (and didn't) think shutdowns are (and were) worth it for a virus that the vast majority of people survive especially if they're vaccinated.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:07 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:58 am

NotGutterGutter wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:24 am So when do we expect a round 2 of "shutdowns"? I'm predicting September 15th - or sooner.
I sure hope I am wrong.

I think that any shut downs will be local/regional, not at the state or larger level. Areas with low vaccination rates may be forced to shut down again as new variants spread amongst the unvaccinated.

Areas with low vaccination rates are mostly doing so by choice and will likely ignore any mandated shutdowns...just my guess.

(Sorry multiple people said the same thing above)

Every state in the union had some sort of shutdown at some point. I am simply saying that IF things get really bad in certain areas, I could see targeted shutdowns. As has been pointed out, those areas are having spiked because of people being resistant to shutdowns, vaccinations, and generally a lack of interest in doing what is recommended to avoid spikes.

I just don't see nationwide shutdowns happening again because I think the overall vaccination rate will keep it from being necessary.

If they bring back shutdowns and mask mandates......itll go over like a fart in church.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:30 am with as much time as you folks spend on the interwebs, you'd think you would know already that the fungus problem in America is over. America kicked its' @$$ outta here.

to steal a phrase "we owned it!"

Counterpoint(s) (and, we've "owned it" alright):

States with low vaccination numbers had Covid-19 case rates last week 3 times higher than others where people are fully vaccinated

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/12/health/u ... index.html

As COVID ravages this corner of Missouri, health workers agonize over the unvaccinated

https://www.kansascity.com/news/coronav ... 44503.html

‘Surprising amount of death’ will soon occur in these US regions from increased COVID-19 cases, expert says

https://wsvn.com/news/us-world/surprisi ... pert-says/

seems like some of you folks have stockholm syndrome. having a hard time separating from your capture.

baby steps. step away from the computer. walk out your frontdoor. stand in the driveway. wave and greet the first person that walks/bikes by.

do a little bit more tomorrow.

TDub wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:55 am If they bring back shutdowns and mask mandates......itll go over like a fart in church.

It will be both funny and stink?

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:59 am seems like some of you folks have stockholm syndrome. having a hard time separating from your capture.

baby steps. step away from the computer. walk out your frontdoor. stand in the driveway. wave and greet the first person that walks by.

do a little bit more tomorrow.

Seems like you just make stupid shit up when you have nothing to refute a point.

For what it's worth - I'm living a 100% normal life, save for wearing masks on planes and complying with similar requirements where they're still in place. I'm not a shut-in.

I'm also not willingly blind to the stupidity and resulting suffering that's running as rampantly as the fungus in Trump-addled communities.

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:51 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:07 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:58 am
I think that any shut downs will be local/regional, not at the state or larger level. Areas with low vaccination rates may be forced to shut down again as new variants spread amongst the unvaccinated.

Areas with low vaccination rates are mostly doing so by choice and will likely ignore any mandated shutdowns...just my guess.

(Sorry multiple people said the same thing above)

Every state in the union had some sort of shutdown at some point. I am simply saying that IF things get really bad in certain areas, I could see targeted shutdowns. As has been pointed out, those areas are having spiked because of people being resistant to shutdowns, vaccinations, and generally a lack of interest in doing what is recommended to avoid spikes.

I just don't see nationwide shutdowns happening again because I think the overall vaccination rate will keep it from being necessary.

I agree that nationwide shutdowns won't happen again...partly because people won't listen.


And i don't think targeted shutdowns will work either. 1 because people move about our country very easily. And 2 because the areas that would require targeted shutdowns are the areas who won't comply.


I have been vaccinated. I have 0% fear of dying from covid at this point. The shutdowns sort of worked imo. Most medical facilities weren't over run (although some came close i am sure), which was the original logic behind them....but it didn't "stop" the spread. It delayed it and flattened the curve (which was/is a good thing). Probably only way to completely stop this virus is for everyone in the world to go into their house for 4 weeks and never leave or see anyone outside the home so it dies off. That won't happen. So shutdowns seem pointless at this point to me.

If people in rural hot spots don't want to get a vaccine to avoid a perfectly avoidable death, so be it. I am now beyond the point of empathy. I just hope they don't kill someone who cannot get vaccinated.

The options to avoid that death are free and readily available to the vast majority of unvaccinated people. They want to increase their likelihood of death? Fine. That's their choice. They want to increase the likelihood that their community has to go back to wearing masks or shutting down some businesses? Fine. That's the consequences of their choice.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:59 am seems like some of you folks have stockholm syndrome. having a hard time separating from your capture.

baby steps. step away from the computer. walk out your frontdoor. stand in the driveway. wave and greet the first person that walks/bikes by.

do a little bit more tomorrow.

Or we don't like seeing avoidable deaths, even among idiots.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:03 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:51 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:07 am
Areas with low vaccination rates are mostly doing so by choice and will likely ignore any mandated shutdowns...just my guess.

(Sorry multiple people said the same thing above)

Every state in the union had some sort of shutdown at some point. I am simply saying that IF things get really bad in certain areas, I could see targeted shutdowns. As has been pointed out, those areas are having spiked because of people being resistant to shutdowns, vaccinations, and generally a lack of interest in doing what is recommended to avoid spikes.

I just don't see nationwide shutdowns happening again because I think the overall vaccination rate will keep it from being necessary.

I agree that nationwide shutdowns won't happen again...partly because people won't listen.


And i don't think targeted shutdowns will work either. 1 because people move about our country very easily. And 2 because the areas that would require targeted shutdowns are the areas who won't comply.


I have been vaccinated. I have 0% fear of dying from covid at this point. The shutdowns sort of worked imo. Most medical facilities weren't over run (although some came close i am sure), which was the original logic behind them....but it didn't "stop" the spread. It delayed it and flattened the curve (which was/is a good thing). Probably only way to completely stop this virus is for everyone in the world to go into their house for 4 weeks and never leave or see anyone outside the home so it dies off. That won't happen. So shutdowns seem pointless at this point to me.

I fully agree that targeted shutdowns will have zero effect because of non-compliance. Those areas have chosen the protection of God and their own bodies. We'll just have to watch both of those things fail them and the deaths will just keep piling up. Some people just refuse to learn in any other manner than the hard way. So be it.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:30 am with as much time as you folks spend on the interwebs, you'd think you would know already that the fungus problem in America is over. America kicked its' @$$ outta here.

to steal a phrase "we owned it!"

this is why we can’t have nice things

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:59 am seems like some of you folks have stockholm syndrome. having a hard time separating from your capture.

baby steps. step away from the computer. walk out your frontdoor. stand in the driveway. wave and greet the first person that walks/bikes by.

do a little bit more tomorrow.

yes, everybody act like trump and pretend the problem doesn’t exist

it’ll just magically go away

The vaccinated will have to put up with a potential infection as a nuisance until enough of the unvaccinated die off, effectively creating herd immunity. Unfortunately those would be avoidable deaths but the victims consider themselves martyrs for some cause. Darwin Awards?

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:08 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:03 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:51 am
Every state in the union had some sort of shutdown at some point. I am simply saying that IF things get really bad in certain areas, I could see targeted shutdowns. As has been pointed out, those areas are having spiked because of people being resistant to shutdowns, vaccinations, and generally a lack of interest in doing what is recommended to avoid spikes.

I just don't see nationwide shutdowns happening again because I think the overall vaccination rate will keep it from being necessary.

I agree that nationwide shutdowns won't happen again...partly because people won't listen.


And i don't think targeted shutdowns will work either. 1 because people move about our country very easily. And 2 because the areas that would require targeted shutdowns are the areas who won't comply.


I have been vaccinated. I have 0% fear of dying from covid at this point. The shutdowns sort of worked imo. Most medical facilities weren't over run (although some came close i am sure), which was the original logic behind them....but it didn't "stop" the spread. It delayed it and flattened the curve (which was/is a good thing). Probably only way to completely stop this virus is for everyone in the world to go into their house for 4 weeks and never leave or see anyone outside the home so it dies off. That won't happen. So shutdowns seem pointless at this point to me.

I fully agree that targeted shutdowns will have zero effect because of non-compliance. Those areas have chosen the protection of God and their own bodies. We'll just have to watch both of those things fail them and the deaths will just keep piling up. Some people just refuse to learn in any other manner than the hard way. So be it.

Most people won't die. So there is that. Which I understand. Treatments are vastly better now than they were a year ago....the idea there will be mass death within the unvaccinated group is simply not true, but some people will die no doubt because people die everyday from lots of different things.

Like i said, i am vaccinated. I don't wear a mask anywhere (unless it is required, which is basically nowhere i have encountered in central IL). I live life exactly how i did pre pandemic for the most part. I don't make my kids wear masks, but i simply just don't take them as many places with large crowds (although we did do Disney last month where i made them wear a mask because it was the rules once in line for rides). No big deal. They survived.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:30 am with as much time as you folks spend on the interwebs, you'd think you would know already that the fungus problem in America is over. America kicked its' @$$ outta here.

to steal a phrase "we owned it!"

Actually the phrase you want to steal is “Mission Accomplished”. That turned out quite well didn’t it.