Kansas Crimson

What’s the profile of reasons for not getting vaccinated, again?

I think it ranges anywhere from “legit risk of health complications” to “own the libs” to “just don’t think the virus is that big a deal” to “it’s a conspiracy by the gummint who is simultaneously both a bunch of dumb idiot morans but also clever and cunning enough to fake a pandemic as a reason to inject everyone with microchips,” etc

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:26 am What’s the profile of reasons for not getting vaccinated, again?

I think it ranges anywhere from “legit risk of health complications” to “own the libs” to “just don’t think the virus is that big a deal” to “it’s a conspiracy by the gummint who is simultaneously both a bunch of dumb idiot morans but also clever and cunning enough to fake a pandemic as a reason to inject everyone with microchips,” etc

For most people i think it is more your first few reasons and less your last reason.

I understand their hesistation. I am not big on shots. I don't get the flu shot very often (i got it when my children were infants, and typically get it once every 3 years or so randomly)....a lot of it is simply not being educated about what is in a vaccine. They hear "new" and it makes them worry.

Phd shared a good article (or maybe just explained in detail) months ago about how some of the new vaccines are developed, why they work, and why they are not typically dangerous to people. It made me feel a lot better about getting the vaccine, even though i was going to anyway becuase my parents and in laws are late 60s early 70s and i wanted to help protect them if possible.

we have done everything the man asked of us. we shutdown. we masked up. we distanced socially. we put the children through hell. we got vaccinated. there is nothing left. America the beautiful did everything the man asked of us.

this notion that we are going to slide way backwards is absolute interwebs bull$#!t nonsense.

no, “we” haven’t

quit being an idiot

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:38 am we have done everything the man asked of us. we shutdown. we masked up. we distanced socially. we put the children through hell. we got vaccinated. there is nothing left. America the beautiful did everything the man asked of us.

this notion that we are going to slide way backwards is absolute interwebs bull$#!t nonsense.

Not enough of us to cover off the risk of the emergence of a variant that renders the existing vaccinations moot.

What part of doing “everything the man asked of us” was the plot to kidnap the governor?

What are other major countries vaccination rates like?

Just curious because we can vilify rural americans not getting vaccinated all we want, but this virus didn't originate here. It traveled here. So if the rest of the world isn't getting vaccinated then that risk of mutations will remain regardless of how much we beat our heads on the table about rural Republicans not getting vaccinated.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:53 am What are other major countries vaccination rates like?

Just curious because we can vilify rural americans not getting vaccinated all we want, but this virus didn't originate here. It traveled here. So if the rest of the world isn't getting vaccinated then that risk of mutations will remain regardless of how much we beat our heads on the table about rural Republicans not getting vaccinated.

Eh, I'm not moved by the "throw up your hands, what can you do" argument. We have the ability and capacity and resources to solve the problem at least as to variants emerging from here. Let's do that.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:53 am Just curious because we can vilify rural americans not getting vaccinated all we want, but this virus didn't originate here. It traveled here. So if the rest of the world isn't getting vaccinated then that risk of mutations will remain regardless of how much we beat our heads on the table about rural Republicans not getting vaccinated.

i think i read somewhere that it is not just rural folks that are hesitant. i think i read somewhere that some urban communities in the urban centers are also hesitant. or maybe i read it wrong.

to answer your question The United States of America is far ahead of the rest of the world.

i think we have always known that a % of the population would not get vaccinated.

i think that if you would have told us 12 months ago, that by 07-13-21 65% of the population would be vaccinated we would have praised the lord.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:08 am i think we have always known that a % of the population would not get vaccinated.

i think that if you would have told us 12 months ago, that by 07-13-21 65% of the population would be vaccinated we would have praised the lord.

(48% of the population is fully-vaccinated.)

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:53 am What are other major countries vaccination rates like?

Just curious because we can vilify rural americans not getting vaccinated all we want, but this virus didn't originate here. It traveled here. So if the rest of the world isn't getting vaccinated then that risk of mutations will remain regardless of how much we beat our heads on the table about rural Republicans not getting vaccinated.

it’s not just rural americans or rural republicans...that narrative has to stop

vaccination rates among black, latinx, and other minority groups are shit when compared to whites

there is a non-insignificant number if Americans that are unvaccinated due to a lack of access (perceived and real) and a lack of information

as an example, the healthcare systems/providers in spanish-speaking parts of this country dropped the ball, intentionally or otherwise, and gave only recently been offering vaccine information in languages other than english

as another example, there have been mis/disinformation campaigns across this country aimed directly at minority communities

while i view it as incredibly selfish to not get vaccinated when it’s readily available, i agree that it should ultimately be one’s choice (with obvious ramifications if one chooses not to)

what i really take issue with is the fact that people still can’t get time off work to go get a vaccine in some parts of this country, or still have questions about the safety and efficacy because english isn’t their first language and they are recent immigrants

if we truly are the greatest country in the planet, we should be doing better, and not resting on our laurels because we as individuals have already been vaccinated

and you’re right, many other countries are much worse off than we are because they don’t have the and level of access that we do. that doesn’t mean that we should stop trying to vaccinate more Americans. it means that we, as a country (the supposed greatest on the planet) need to do a better job helping out those countries that are less fortunate

imo, it also means that Americans need to quit being selfish and taking or position in all this for granted

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:08 am i think we have always known that a % of the population would not get vaccinated.

i think that if you would have told us 12 months ago, that by 07-13-21 65% of the population would be vaccinated we would have praised the lord.

why do you feel the need to make shit up?

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:56 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:53 am What are other major countries vaccination rates like?

Just curious because we can vilify rural americans not getting vaccinated all we want, but this virus didn't originate here. It traveled here. So if the rest of the world isn't getting vaccinated then that risk of mutations will remain regardless of how much we beat our heads on the table about rural Republicans not getting vaccinated.

Eh, I'm not moved by the "throw up your hands, what can you do" argument. We have the ability and capacity and resources to solve the problem at least as to variants emerging from here. Let's do that.

Well, to be fair, i am not saying do nothing. But shutdowns are not needed and don't really work at "stopping" the spread completely.

I am just saying it's a bit over the top to try to place blame solely on rural Republicans for the virus continuing to spread. Do they deserve blame? Sure. But there are numerous factors at play with the continuing spread worldwide and mutations that may natually occur.

There have been almost no deaths in the rural counties around me recently. And most of the recent ones were people with preexisting conditions.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:02 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:53 am Just curious because we can vilify rural americans not getting vaccinated all we want, but this virus didn't originate here. It traveled here. So if the rest of the world isn't getting vaccinated then that risk of mutations will remain regardless of how much we beat our heads on the table about rural Republicans not getting vaccinated.

i think i read somewhere that it is not just rural folks that are hesitant. i think i read somewhere that some urban communities in the urban centers are also hesitant. or maybe i read it wrong.

to answer your question The United States of America is far ahead of the rest of the world.

again, false

we are far ahead of the developing world (as we should be)...that’s about it

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:12 am it’s not just rural americans or rural republicans...that narrative has to stop

I agree. But don't tell CNN that.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:14 am

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:02 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:53 am Just curious because we can vilify rural americans not getting vaccinated all we want, but this virus didn't originate here. It traveled here. So if the rest of the world isn't getting vaccinated then that risk of mutations will remain regardless of how much we beat our heads on the table about rural Republicans not getting vaccinated.

i think i read somewhere that it is not just rural folks that are hesitant. i think i read somewhere that some urban communities in the urban centers are also hesitant. or maybe i read it wrong.

to answer your question The United States of America is far ahead of the rest of the world.

again, false

we are far ahead of the developing world (as we should be)...that’s about it

Which countries have higher vaccination rates?

Is there anywhere reliable to find that info?

Israel, for one

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:18 am

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:14 am

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:02 am

i think i read somewhere that it is not just rural folks that are hesitant. i think i read somewhere that some urban communities in the urban centers are also hesitant. or maybe i read it wrong.

to answer your question The United States of America is far ahead of the rest of the world.

again, false

we are far ahead of the developing world (as we should be)...that’s about it

Which countries have higher vaccination rates?

Is there anywhere reliable to find that info?

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

Our World in Data:

Gibraltar 99+%
Cayman Islands 70.1%
Seychelles 69.8%
Malta 69.6%
Iceland 67.1%
UAE 66.6%
...
Chile 59.7%
...
Israel 57.4%
...
Mongolia 55.7%
Uruguay 55.4%
...
UK 52.2%
...
USA (in 26th place) 48.5%