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Pedophilia isn't unique to religious groups. But it is absolutely a problem within the Catholic Church.
Not sure how to translate the word "Meh" into anything other than a shrug off but OK. 300,000+ victims of abuse at the hands of 3,000+ priests. Sorry but it has proven out hundreds of thousands of times that having private, trusted access to children seems to be an appealing feature of being a priest for people who have a predilection for sexually abusing children. I see it as no different than the fact that being a law enforcement officer seems to be an appealing choice to some who like the opportunity to physically abuse people that they feel are inferior to them.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:25 amPedophilia isn't unique to religious groups. But it is absolutely a problem within the Catholic Church.
I didn't shrug anything off. You're the one who said it's a "feature not a bug", which is the comment i disagreed with.
Who is "getting away with it"? There are plenty within catholic churches who have absolutely not gotten away with it.
Again, the "meh" was in response to the "feature not a bug" comment and nothing else.twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:43 amNot sure how to translate the word "Meh" into anything other than a shrug off but OK. 300,000+ victims of abuse at the hands of 3,000+ priests. Sorry but it has proven out hundreds of thousands of times that having private, trusted access to children seems to be an appealing feature of being a priest for people who have a predilection for sexually abusing children. I see it as no different than the fact that being a law enforcement officer seems to be an appealing choice to some who like the opportunity to physically abuse people that they feel are inferior to them.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:25 amPedophilia isn't unique to religious groups. But it is absolutely a problem within the Catholic Church.
I didn't shrug anything off. You're the one who said it's a "feature not a bug", which is the comment i disagreed with.
Who is "getting away with it"? There are plenty within catholic churches who have absolutely not gotten away with it.
does that not sound systemic? As in, their system seems more designed to perpetuate the abuse, more so than weed it out.
The figure includes abuses committed by some 3,000 priests and other people involved in the church — wrongdoing that Catholic authorities covered up over decades in a “systemic manner,” according to the president of the commission that issued the report…
The independent commission urged the church to take strong action, denouncing “faults” and “silence.”…
He denounced the coverups that permitted “mass crimes for decades.”…
Savignac assailed the church for treating such cases as individual anomalies instead of as a collective horror…
Sauvé denounced the church’s attitude until the beginning of the 2000s as “a deep, cruel indifference toward victims.”…
“Sometimes church officials did not denounce (sex abuses) and even exposed children to risks by putting them in contact with predators,”…
Pope Francis issued in May 2019 a groundbreaking new church law requiring all Catholic priests and nuns around the world to report clergy sexual abuse and cover-ups by their superiors to church authorities
Unfortunately sexual abuse, rape, etc is something that many people get away with. I suppose it is because it is very hard to prove in court? Especially years after the fact. Not sure.ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:57 am Yes, it’s absolutely a problem within the Catholic Church. And no it’s not unique to religious groups, but what is unique is that they seem to skirt accountability for it, much more so than any other institution would if they were accused of as much.
And forgive me if I interpreted your “meh” as shrugging it off.
If this widespread trend of abusive behavior is NOT a feature, then why doesn’t the church just promptly refer every allegation to prosecutors?
From the article:
does that not sound systemic? As in, their system seems more designed to perpetuate the abuse, more so than weed it out.
The figure includes abuses committed by some 3,000 priests and other people involved in the church — wrongdoing that Catholic authorities covered up over decades in a “systemic manner,” according to the president of the commission that issued the report…
The independent commission urged the church to take strong action, denouncing “faults” and “silence.”…
He denounced the coverups that permitted “mass crimes for decades.”…
Savignac assailed the church for treating such cases as individual anomalies instead of as a collective horror…
Sauvé denounced the church’s attitude until the beginning of the 2000s as “a deep, cruel indifference toward victims.”…
“Sometimes church officials did not denounce (sex abuses) and even exposed children to risks by putting them in contact with predators,”…
Pope Francis issued in May 2019 a groundbreaking new church law requiring all Catholic priests and nuns around the world to report clergy sexual abuse and cover-ups by their superiors to church authorities
Why doesn’t the church adopt a policy of simply reporting each allegation to law enforement, rather than their own authorities?
And how much do you mean by “plenty?” Cuz for every church official who has not gotten away with it, there seems to be plenty of outstanding accusations otherwise…the article mentions a couple priests that faced consequences, but also some 3000 allegations outstanding
And as I stated, it seems pretty obvious that easier access to children to abuse does seem to be a feature of being a priest that draws some pedophiles to it as their "calling".BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:45 amAgain, the "meh" was in response to the "feature not a bug" comment and nothing else.twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:43 amNot sure how to translate the word "Meh" into anything other than a shrug off but OK. 300,000+ victims of abuse at the hands of 3,000+ priests. Sorry but it has proven out hundreds of thousands of times that having private, trusted access to children seems to be an appealing feature of being a priest for people who have a predilection for sexually abusing children. I see it as no different than the fact that being a law enforcement officer seems to be an appealing choice to some who like the opportunity to physically abuse people that they feel are inferior to them.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:25 am
Pedophilia isn't unique to religious groups. But it is absolutely a problem within the Catholic Church.
I didn't shrug anything off. You're the one who said it's a "feature not a bug", which is the comment i disagreed with.
Who is "getting away with it"? There are plenty within catholic churches who have absolutely not gotten away with it.
Compare in what way? Nothing compares to the catholic diocese across the US actively conspired together to move abusive priests throughout the nation to avoid bad publicity and arrests, many times offering hush money to the families of victims and allowing the predator priests to continue to abuse children for decades. The size, scope and duration of it make it most likely the largest organized sexual predator ring in US history.ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:21 am Without being more familiar off the top of my head, how does the church abuse scandal compare and contrast with other abuse scandals?
Larry Nassar, and the boy scouts, and such.
And besides the fact the church’s scandal is much much bigger than either of those.
