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Re: Violence
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:09 am
by Mjl
pdub wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:29 am
You don't know anything about my background and my experience.
And because you live where ever you are means you can comfortably label an entire group of voters as people who were mad a black president was voted in.
I think a number of you need to try very hard to think objectively in order for a chance at making this work - or you don't care in compromise or unity at all.
It won't get any better pointing and laughing at people who didn't vote for Biden.
Or totally disregarding their concerns.
If you don't care, fine, but don't be so alarmed with violence and anger growing from both sides ( yes, gasp, both ).
A note, I of course voted Biden.
But even saying the things above tends to cause such an uproar out of certain people - a number of them on this bored.
It's hypocritical imo - take it or leave it.
pdub out.
Couldn't agree more.
Democrats need to stop calling everyone who disagrees with them racists. It's bad politics, and it's bad policy. It causes real harm to combating actual racism.
Re: Violence
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:15 am
by Mjl
How does Iowa have both whites and PoC blue? Makes me question the numbers behind it.
Re: Violence
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:28 am
by Cascadia
Mjl wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:09 am
pdub wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:29 am
You don't know anything about my background and my experience.
And because you live where ever you are means you can comfortably label an entire group of voters as people who were mad a black president was voted in.
I think a number of you need to try very hard to think objectively in order for a chance at making this work - or you don't care in compromise or unity at all.
It won't get any better pointing and laughing at people who didn't vote for Biden.
Or totally disregarding their concerns.
If you don't care, fine, but don't be so alarmed with violence and anger growing from both sides ( yes, gasp, both ).
A note, I of course voted Biden.
But even saying the things above tends to cause such an uproar out of certain people - a number of them on this bored.
It's hypocritical imo - take it or leave it.
pdub out.
Couldn't agree more.
Democrats need to stop calling everyone who disagrees with them racists. It's bad politics, and it's bad policy. It causes real harm to combating actual racism.
But that’s not what’s happening here.
Re: Violence
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:11 am
by Deleted User 89
my parents always taught me that i’d be judged by those i associate with
Re: Violence
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:18 am
by ousdahl
DC tried to make this argument too.
The problem in Merica isn’t the racism, so much as it is the pc babies who call out the racists. Right.
That’s not too far off from arguing that the problem wasn’t that cops kneeled on George Floyd’s neck for 9 minutes as he cried “I can’t breathe,” but simply that someone took cell phone video of it happening.
Re: Violence
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:34 am
by Sparko
ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:18 am
DC tried to make this argument too.
The problem in Merica isn’t the racism, so much as it is the pc babies who call out the racists. Right.
That’s not too far off from arguing that the problem wasn’t that cops kneeled on George Floyd’s neck for 9 minutes as he cried “I can’t breathe,” but simply that someone took cell phone video of it happening.
Absolutely. We have our own concern trolls here shifting the argument. Honestly, we are two weeks out from a white power insurrection angered that black votes counted. If anything, we need to keep shining the light on enablers of racism. It isn’t about taking things away. It has always been about equal justice and opportunity. Racism is selfishness operationalized.
Re: Violence
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:04 am
by twocoach
Re: Violence
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:06 am
by twocoach
Mjl wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:09 am
pdub wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:29 am
You don't know anything about my background and my experience.
And because you live where ever you are means you can comfortably label an entire group of voters as people who were mad a black president was voted in.
I think a number of you need to try very hard to think objectively in order for a chance at making this work - or you don't care in compromise or unity at all.
It won't get any better pointing and laughing at people who didn't vote for Biden.
Or totally disregarding their concerns.
If you don't care, fine, but don't be so alarmed with violence and anger growing from both sides ( yes, gasp, both ).
A note, I of course voted Biden.
But even saying the things above tends to cause such an uproar out of certain people - a number of them on this bored.
It's hypocritical imo - take it or leave it.
pdub out.
Couldn't agree more.
Democrats need to stop calling everyone who disagrees with them racists. It's bad politics, and it's bad policy. It causes real harm to combating actual racism.
Then Republicans need to stop voting for politicians that produce racist policies. We'll stop calling out racism when it goes away.
Re: Violence
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:08 am
by twocoach
Mjl wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:15 am
How does Iowa have both whites and PoC blue? Makes me question the numbers behind it.
More white women than white men.
Re: Violence
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:19 am
by jfish26
Cascadia wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:28 am
Mjl wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:09 am
pdub wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:29 am
You don't know anything about my background and my experience.
And because you live where ever you are means you can comfortably label an entire group of voters as people who were mad a black president was voted in.
I think a number of you need to try very hard to think objectively in order for a chance at making this work - or you don't care in compromise or unity at all.
It won't get any better pointing and laughing at people who didn't vote for Biden.
Or totally disregarding their concerns.
If you don't care, fine, but don't be so alarmed with violence and anger growing from both sides ( yes, gasp, both ).
A note, I of course voted Biden.
But even saying the things above tends to cause such an uproar out of certain people - a number of them on this bored.
It's hypocritical imo - take it or leave it.
pdub out.
Couldn't agree more.
Democrats need to stop calling everyone who disagrees with them racists. It's bad politics, and it's bad policy. It causes real harm to combating actual racism.
But that’s not what’s happening here.
Forcing someone to account for their support of things that are inherently racist is simply not the same thing as calling them racist.
(Sigh.)
Re: Violence
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:31 am
by ousdahl
it shouldn’t be difficult to not be accused of racism.
Re: Violence
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:34 am
by Cascadia
Re: Violence
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:36 am
by MICHHAWK
portland being portland.
Re: Violence
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:16 am
by jfish26
Cascadia wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:34 am
Clown town
You'd know more about that specific situation than I do.
But, on a more general level, I think we can absolutely, 100% expect the MAGAs to stir shit up under antifa flags.
Remember, accusing people of doing exactly what you're planning on doing is right down the fairway for them.
Re: Violence
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:23 am
by Mjl
ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:18 am
DC tried to make this argument too.
The problem in Merica isn’t the racism, so much as it is the pc babies who call out the racists. Right.
That’s not too far off from arguing that the problem wasn’t that cops kneeled on George Floyd’s neck for 9 minutes as he cried “I can’t breathe,” but simply that someone took cell phone video of it happening.
No. I didn't say racism isn't a problem. But calling everyone racist exacerbates the problem.
To your analogy, it's more like if someone was taking a video of a cop getting attacked by a dude with a weapon, and the cop shoots him, and everyone starts calling that cop a murderer. And this happens so frequently that nobody really notices when a George Floyd situation happens.
Re: Violence
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:29 am
by Mjl
twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:08 am
Mjl wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:15 am
How does Iowa have both whites and PoC blue? Makes me question the numbers behind it.
More white women than white men.
If Biden won whites overall and PoC overall in Iowa, how did he lose Iowa? Gender has nothing to do with it.
Whites = a
PoC = b
All voters = c
a + b = c
If Biden won a and b, there's no way he could lose c
Re: Violence
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:33 am
by ousdahl
how does calling everyone racist exacerbate the problem? I really don’t think anyone’s accusing anyone of racism, unless they’re either being racist or being ok with racism.
Again, it shouldn’t be difficult to not be accused of racism.
Cuz one could just respond with something like, “I didn’t mean to be racist, and in the spirit of that, now that you’ve pointed it out I’ll try to consider this from other perspectives going forward.” Wouldn’t that be an acceptable not-racist approach?
But instead it’s “I’m ain’t the problem, y’all are the problem!” And rather than try for any perspective, or any humility, they think the appropriate thing to do is to double down on the side with the deplorables, even tho that’s not who they claim they are?
You’re basically arguing that even if you don’t think you’re racist, it’s better to be tacit toward racism than it is to make any effort to distance from it?
Re: Violence
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:36 am
by ousdahl
“Hey don’t lump me in with the actual white supremacists just cuz I was storming the Capitol alongside them, it’s not like I was wearing a nazi shirt too, that was just some other guys I was with!”
Re: Violence
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:40 am
by Cascadia
Mjl wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:29 am
twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:08 am
Mjl wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:15 am
How does Iowa have both whites and PoC blue? Makes me question the numbers behind it.
More white women than white men.
If Biden won whites overall and PoC overall in Iowa, how did he lose Iowa? Gender has nothing to do with it.
Whites = a
PoC = b
All voters = c
a + b = c
If Biden won a and b, there's no way he could lose c
Biden wasn’t in the 2016 election
Re: Violence
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:47 am
by NewtonHawk11
To be fair Trad, you didn't really clarify that was the 2016 election.
