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CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:28 am I definitely don't think the rotation is set. We're not even half through December on the calendar.

I am remembering back to late January 2018 when Newman and Vick were coming off the bench b/c they just weren't getting it.

Like has been said, I just hope Bill fights his urge to make better defensive lineups at the expense of scoring a lot of points at a faster pace than he usually plays.

what better defensive lineup do you suggest? and how would it come at the expense of points. Trying to understand in the context of this roster.

also trying to remember 2018. I know Newman really struggled to start the season, but I think he more or less got to play through it, more so than getting benched.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:27 am didn’t he go get feedback from nba folks?

he sure doesn’t look it

I think we forget that Jalen as a prospect was always supposed to be a 3-4 year player at this level.

He's going to have a huge role next season with Dick, Dajuan, Clemence.

I also wonder what last year's team would have looked like if Bill had given explicit instructions to run.

They weren't necessarily built to run, but they also weren't really built for half court execution either.

and yet, most of the season was spent just walking the ball up the court into half court sets (most of which were stationary guards just passing around the perimeter until they forced a feed to a doubled post)

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:39 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:28 am I definitely don't think the rotation is set. We're not even half through December on the calendar.

I am remembering back to late January 2018 when Newman and Vick were coming off the bench b/c they just weren't getting it.

Like has been said, I just hope Bill fights his urge to make better defensive lineups at the expense of scoring a lot of points at a faster pace than he usually plays.

what better defensive lineup do you suggest? and how would it come at the expense of points. Trying to understand in the context of this roster.

also trying to remember 2018. I know Newman really struggled to start the season, but I think he more or less got to play through it, more so than getting benched.

Newman did go to the bench, but it was for only like a week, and most of his minutes were still there. Point being he struggled enough for that to happen.

The best defensive lineup would look something like Harris, Och, CB, Wilson, Dave. That lineup is not going to score in the 80's.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:42 am I also wonder what last year's team would have looked like if Bill had given explicit instructions to run.

We did it against WVU and TCU and looked great. Then never did it again. Last year was probably Bill's poorest season and I don't think it is a coincidence that it came when we had Dave and Garrett in the starting lineup--2 guys that he has huge soft spots for.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:17 am What I can't help but wonder, is if he would have begun the season as a starter if not for the DUI.

Based on what we've seen I am not sure how he could have possibly been ahead of CB, so it'd have likely been at the expense of Remy or Harris.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:27 am didn’t he go get feedback from nba folks?

The feedback might have been "you're not good enough for the NBA".

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:43 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:39 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:28 am I definitely don't think the rotation is set. We're not even half through December on the calendar.

I am remembering back to late January 2018 when Newman and Vick were coming off the bench b/c they just weren't getting it.

Like has been said, I just hope Bill fights his urge to make better defensive lineups at the expense of scoring a lot of points at a faster pace than he usually plays.

what better defensive lineup do you suggest? and how would it come at the expense of points. Trying to understand in the context of this roster.

also trying to remember 2018. I know Newman really struggled to start the season, but I think he more or less got to play through it, more so than getting benched.

Newman did go to the bench, but it was for only like a week, and most of his minutes were still there. Point being he struggled enough for that to happen.

The best defensive lineup would look something like Harris, Och, CB, Wilson, Dave. That lineup is not going to score in the 80's.

The fact Wilson isn't much better at defense than Remy will help him resist that urge.

I think Bill is all in on a Remy Harris backcourt. CB and Och will fill in the holes ballhandling wise when 1 of them is out.

Jalen's definitely a better and more versatile defender than Remy, but Remy's rebounding is underrated.

"The fact Wilson isn't much better at defense than Remy will help him resist that urge."

I think there have been several times where Remy has been sent to the bench because of his defense. Which has not been good so far.

Did Remy even have to play defense at Zona State?

Looking at current defensive rebound percentage. Jalen is still elite.

Jalen 28.8
Clemence 25.8
Mitch 21.1
CB 18.9
DMac 18.9
Remy 18.8
Och 11.4

TRob was a 33.0 in 2012. Udoka 26.9 in 2020. Silvio was a 25.0 in 2018. Dedric 23.2.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:47 am Looking at current defensive rebound percentage. Jalen is still elite.

Jalen 28.8
Clemence 25.8
Mitch 21.1
CB 18.9
DMac 18.9
Remy 18.8
Och 11.4

TRob was a 33.0 in 2012. Udoka 26.9 in 2020. Silvio was a 25.0 in 2018. Dedric 23.2.

Every time I think about this issue, I end up thinking Wilson's highest and best use on this roster is at the 5.

If we didn't have DMac, i'd agree.
I still think Jalen can and will find a groove at the 4.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:07 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:47 am Looking at current defensive rebound percentage. Jalen is still elite.

Jalen 28.8
Clemence 25.8
Mitch 21.1
CB 18.9
DMac 18.9
Remy 18.8
Och 11.4

TRob was a 33.0 in 2012. Udoka 26.9 in 2020. Silvio was a 25.0 in 2018. Dedric 23.2.

Every time I think about this issue, I end up thinking Wilson's highest and best use on this roster is at the 5.

And this goes back to what was being discussed earlier--it's also a lot because he's not doing shit out on the perimeter. Backup 5 minutes to rebound and get transition baskets off of the miss would be playing to his strengths.

Mitch has been playing a lot better this season, though.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:13 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:07 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:47 am Looking at current defensive rebound percentage. Jalen is still elite.

Jalen 28.8
Clemence 25.8
Mitch 21.1
CB 18.9
DMac 18.9
Remy 18.8
Och 11.4

TRob was a 33.0 in 2012. Udoka 26.9 in 2020. Silvio was a 25.0 in 2018. Dedric 23.2.

Every time I think about this issue, I end up thinking Wilson's highest and best use on this roster is at the 5.

And this goes back to what was being discussed earlier--it's also a lot because he's not doing shit out on the perimeter. Backup 5 minutes to rebound and get transition baskets off of the miss would be playing to his strengths.

Mitch has been playing a lot better this season, though.

And so we find ourselves at the usual spot.

Jalen isn't even getting minutes at the 5 behind Mitch. The emergency spots go to Clemence or KJ.

My theories on why he gets no minutes at the 5:
1. Maybe if he plays the 5 we give up too many easy baskets inside and aren't effective at interior defensive rebounding.
2. Maybe since he isn't a consistent shooting threat from 3pt, and also not driving past defenders consistently for easy baskets, it creates bad spacing on the perimeter.
3. Maybe he hasn't shown he can post up and score inside, which again creates spacing issues. Dave is a spazz, but we can throw him the ball. Mitch can score inside down low, but even if he doesn't look to score we can throw it down to him and let him kick it back out so the defense is be forced to move.
4. Maybe it has less to do with anything JW related individually and more to do with who makes other players better. If Remy CB and Och flow better with Harris and a big in there then that's probably the most important thing since those are our core offensively (along with Dave).

Having a player as good as JW coming off the bench is a good problem to have. Maybe he just needs more time to grow as a player.

I think Bill is legitimately surprised by how well Mitch is playing. You could hear it in his voice when he was talking about Dave's struggles and Mitch's increased minutes.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:45 pm I think Bill is legitimately surprised by how well Mitch is playing. You could hear it in his voice when he was talking about Dave's struggles and Mitch's increased minutes.

There is a trust there.

The end of half play where Och got the open 3 was built around throwing it inside to Mitch for the kick out. It was well designed and well executed.

Bryce Thompson sure isn’t panning out…

sdoyel wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:59 pm Bryce Thompson sure isn’t panning out…

He's still a youngin so maybe it'll be junior or senior year before we see some of that potential develop. 3pt shooting is holding him back. At least he's somewhere getting minutes. Life could be worse I suppose.