Kansas Crimson

randylahey wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 10:32 am One side wants verified elections requiring IDs. The other side is adamant to not require ID, and they also want illegals to be able to vote.

Gee I wonder why.

Also changing the rules in north Carolina so votes can be cast in any county makes it really easy to cheat or "harvest votes" when there is 50000 votes in a county with half that amount of registered voters. Makes it difficult validate legitimacy

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 7:51 am Preparing to renew a passport for my youngest, and dealing with all of the paperwork that comes with having a second parent who won’t be at the application site (and who has a different legal name than what’s on the kiddo’s birth certificate).

This process is exactly why voter ID laws are suppressive - governmental agencies can make both the paperwork and the process as byzantine and impossible as they’d like. It’s a pain in the ass for MY family, and we have a fairly normal profile (to say nothing of having official records on hand, English as a native language, access to a printer/scanner/copier and job flexibility that lets me do this during post office hours).

randylahey wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 10:32 am One side wants verified elections requiring IDs. The other side is adamant to not require ID, and they also want illegals to be able to vote.

Gee I wonder why.

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 10:46 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 7:51 am Preparing to renew a passport for my youngest, and dealing with all of the paperwork that comes with having a second parent who won’t be at the application site (and who has a different legal name than what’s on the kiddo’s birth certificate).

This process is exactly why voter ID laws are suppressive - governmental agencies can make both the paperwork and the process as byzantine and impossible as they’d like. It’s a pain in the ass for MY family, and we have a fairly normal profile (to say nothing of having official records on hand, English as a native language, access to a printer/scanner/copier and job flexibility that lets me do this during post office hours).

And people in lower income brackets tend to change addresses more frequently than those in higher income brackets. Having an ID with a different address than what your voter registration has is a pain in the ass.

Research by the Brennan Center for Justice in 2017 looked at 42 jurisdictions in the 2016 election, and reported that of 23.5 million votes cast, election officials only found about 30 cases of potential noncitizen voting that they referred for prosecution or further investigation.

More recent investigations also haven’t shown proof of widespread noncitizen voting. A Georgia audit of its voter rolls conducted this year found fewer than 2,000 instances of noncitizens attempting to register to vote over the last 25 years, none of which succeeded. Millions of new Georgia voters registered during that time period.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 10:54 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 10:46 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 7:51 am Preparing to renew a passport for my youngest, and dealing with all of the paperwork that comes with having a second parent who won’t be at the application site (and who has a different legal name than what’s on the kiddo’s birth certificate).

This process is exactly why voter ID laws are suppressive - governmental agencies can make both the paperwork and the process as byzantine and impossible as they’d like. It’s a pain in the ass for MY family, and we have a fairly normal profile (to say nothing of having official records on hand, English as a native language, access to a printer/scanner/copier and job flexibility that lets me do this during post office hours).

And people in lower income brackets tend to change addresses more frequently than those in higher income brackets. Having an ID with a different address than what your voter registration has is a pain in the ass.

And moving around a lot makes keeping even your own records harder to manage. Which might have you running to a Department of Health for a birth certificate, a Department of Motor Vehicles for a driver's license and a Department of Revenue for tax records.

All of which processes have their own elaborate sub-processes.

And meanwhile:

Research by the Brennan Center for Justice in 2017 looked at 42 jurisdictions in the 2016 election, and reported that of 23.5 million votes cast, election officials only found about 30 cases of potential noncitizen voting that they referred for prosecution or further investigation.

More recent investigations also haven’t shown proof of widespread noncitizen voting. A Georgia audit of its voter rolls conducted this year found fewer than 2,000 instances of noncitizens attempting to register to vote over the last 25 years, none of which succeeded. Millions of new Georgia voters registered during that time period.

https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm ... dc717906e5

It is simply not that difficult to understand. The incidence of actual attempts at voting fraud - not MY CONSTITUENTS TOLD ME AND THEREFORE I MUST ACT ON IT - is so rare that it does not justify the suppressive effects of voter ID laws.

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 11:06 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 10:54 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 10:46 am
And people in lower income brackets tend to change addresses more frequently than those in higher income brackets. Having an ID with a different address than what your voter registration has is a pain in the ass.

And moving around a lot makes keeping even your own records harder to manage. Which might have you running to a Department of Health for a birth certificate, a Department of Motor Vehicles for a driver's license and a Department of Revenue for tax records.

All of which processes have their own elaborate sub-processes.

And meanwhile:

Research by the Brennan Center for Justice in 2017 looked at 42 jurisdictions in the 2016 election, and reported that of 23.5 million votes cast, election officials only found about 30 cases of potential noncitizen voting that they referred for prosecution or further investigation.

More recent investigations also haven’t shown proof of widespread noncitizen voting. A Georgia audit of its voter rolls conducted this year found fewer than 2,000 instances of noncitizens attempting to register to vote over the last 25 years, none of which succeeded. Millions of new Georgia voters registered during that time period.

https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm ... dc717906e5

It is simply not that difficult to understand. The incidence of actual attempts at voting fraud - not MY CONSTITUENTS TOLD ME AND THEREFORE I MUST ACT ON IT - is so rare that it does not justify the suppressive effects of voter ID laws.

You'd think that after decades of screaming "just enforce the laws we already have" when it comes to discussions of common sense gun law adjustments that they apply the same logic. We already have laws in place to prevent illegal immigrants from voting in the national elections for Congress and the White House.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 7:36 am

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 7:23 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 7:36 am

Basically the same shit happening in Florida and Georgia.
I guess I'm not smart enough to rationalize the logic. I read randy say something about cheating but he didn't elaborate.

Overlander wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 8:31 pm

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 7:23 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 7:36 am

Basically the same shit happening in Florida and Georgia.
I guess I'm not smart enough to rationalize the logic. I read randy say something about cheating but he didn't elaborate.

They keep screaming about illegals voting….which the data says is such a minuscule number that it is irrelevant.

Losers need to find someone to blame for their losing, because it couldn’t possibly be true that they lost.

Sparko wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 10:28 pm I thought it telling that Psych said rationalization is a sign of fear and weakness. Implying that intimidated and frightened people trying to reason with their tormentor is some great "tell." Taking the side of the Inquisition reflexively.

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 12:57 pm he’s so embarrassed…you can see it in his face

sad

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 1:19 pm The lengths you people will go to dress up not believing in the Constitution or the rule of law.