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Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:27 pm
by Walrus
"anti-vaccine movement..."
That tells me all I need to know about the article being bullshit. Most people refusing the shots are not anti-vax.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:29 pm
by jfish26
Walrus wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:27 pm
"anti-vaccine movement..."
That tells me all I need to know about the article being bullshit. Most people refusing the shots are not anti-vax.
I mean...I'm pretty sure...by definition...oh, nevermind.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:30 pm
by Deleted User 89
lol...abc is one of the least biased sources available, dipshit
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:30 pm
by Walrus
Maybe 1-2% are anti-vaccine nuts. 98% are people who recognize these are not vaccines in the traditional sense.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:33 pm
by Deleted User 89
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:28 pm
another post, more lies
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:33 pm
by ousdahl
jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:29 pm
Walrus wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:27 pm
"anti-vaccine movement..."
That tells me all I need to know about the article being bullshit. Most people refusing the shots are not anti-vax.
I mean...I'm pretty sure...by definition...oh, nevermind.
“I’m not racist just cuz I think Mexicans are drug dealers and rapists!”
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:50 pm
by Mjl
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:09 pm
Walrus wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:16 pm
For those who are intellectually honest and curious...
They're doing the math wrong to be intentionally misleading.
The vaccines reduce your risk of Getting the virus. What's being presented here is just a factor of the short time you're looking at, and the total number who got sick. That only a small percentage of the total tested got sick is irrelevant. What matters is the reduction in the number of vaccinated who got sick vs the number of unvaccinated who got sick, both by chance in nature.
What this misleading piece of manipulation seems to assume, is that, following treatment with the vaccine or placebo, the individuals were then exposed to a dose of the vaccine that would get 100% of unvaccinated people infected....and you can't ethically do that. All you do is give to two groups their treatment and see how many get sick naturally and evaluate the results.
This post should be deleted.
Is the graphic misleading though? When I look at it, it shows a highly efficacious vaccine. Lobster just doesn't understand how to read it.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:53 pm
by Walrus
I didn't know there was an emotional way one could interpret the data.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:54 pm
by Deleted User 89
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:28 pm
another post, more lies
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:57 pm
by Walrus
JKLivin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:16 pm
NotGutterGutter wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:23 pm
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:07 pm
Thank god i live in a blue state where covid has been eradicated.
I'm waiting for you to pull a lobby and tell me that systemic racism has been eradicated in the state of Illinois too.
Dick move by me today but I decided someone has/had to step up.
We have employees who are blatantly ignoring/disregarding the rules. They are working in the office without being vaccinated. I called them out on it - and then I called out HR for not enforcing the rules. I refuse to work in an office with people who don't give a fuck and put me at risk - because they aren't following the rules. If the rules didn't exist, I might (but probably wouldn't) feel differently but it's almost like they are giving me (and more importantly the company that employs them and pays them well) a giant fuck you. I'm not putting up with that.
What is the male equivalent of a Karen?
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:59 pm
by PhDhawk
Mjl wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:50 pm
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:09 pm
Walrus wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:16 pm
For those who are intellectually honest and curious...
They're doing the math wrong to be intentionally misleading.
The vaccines reduce your risk of Getting the virus. What's being presented here is just a factor of the short time you're looking at, and the total number who got sick. That only a small percentage of the total tested got sick is irrelevant. What matters is the reduction in the number of vaccinated who got sick vs the number of unvaccinated who got sick, both by chance in nature.
What this misleading piece of manipulation seems to assume, is that, following treatment with the vaccine or placebo, the individuals were then exposed to a dose of the vaccine that would get 100% of unvaccinated people infected....and you can't ethically do that. All you do is give to two groups their treatment and see how many get sick naturally and evaluate the results.
This post should be deleted.
Is the graphic misleading though? When I look at it, it shows a highly efficacious vaccine. Lobster just doesn't understand how to read it.
He's trying to use the large percentage of uninfected individuals in both the placebo and vaccinated to suggest the vaccine is less effective than it is.
Yeah, if you know what to look for, the data showing a 95% effective rate for example is there, but you have to ignore the things he's circling and typing onto the graphic.
The 0.88% number he's highlighting is meaningless for any context.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:02 pm
by Walrus
Yes PHD, this person far outranks you, so you have to try to destroy their science.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:06 pm
by Deleted User 89
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:28 pm
another post, more lies
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:08 pm
by PhDhawk
PhD is the highest degree offered in the United States.
and he did his statistic wrong. the P-value is significantly less than what's presented here.
https://phastar.com/blog/250-statistici ... ccine-data
Assuming this means that the estimated COVID-19 case rate is 0.037% in the vaccine group and 0.395% among the placebo controls. A two-tailed test of equality of these proportions yields a p-value of less than 0.00001, which is overwhelming evidence of efficacy.
You're MD friend who you're protecting is clearly not very good at math.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:09 pm
by PhDhawk
Walrus wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:53 pm
I didn't know there was an emotional way one could interpret the data.
There is an incorrect way to do it, and that's what you've done here.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:09 pm
by Walrus
Well good, because "my friend" has a PhD in addition to MD and JD.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:12 pm
by Deleted User 89
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:28 pm
another post, more lies
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:15 pm
by Deleted User 89
lobs getting $2 hookered again
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:17 pm
by ousdahl
Walrus wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:09 pm
Well good, because "my friend" has a PhD in addition to MD and JD.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:26 pm
by PhDhawk
Walrus wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:09 pm
Well good, because "my friend" has a PhD in addition to MD and JD.
