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Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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Deleted User 266
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Interesting that the media found these people. Or the people found the media.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/278 ... -hong-kong
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/278 ... -hong-kong
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Deleted User 286
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Ok, now I'll defend him a little bit for Cascadia...
Lebron who is usually very media savvy and careful with his words didn't think this thru...but I don't think he's wrong in thinking that while you're (he and his family, his team, other NBA employees and media) in China you better realize they're in charge and you should be respectful. I think all he meant by his comments was that Morey sort of put them in a little bit of danger and a bad situation by tweeting that while the Lakers/NBA/etc. were currently over there amid tensions. According to Rachel Nicols (who was also in China, and met with LeBron privately with 2 or 3 other reporters after THAT interview) LeBron was pissed because he thought Morey possibly could have put them in danger and didn't consider how that tweet could impact the NBA players/NBA representatives who were at the time in China....I don't think it's unreasonable to feel that way, but he should have been much more careful with how he worded it and been direct about what his frustrations were.
And part of me thinks Lebron is probably more than a little interested in continuing a positive relationship with China and to do so he can't be getting involved in their personal/political issues....I'm not saying that's right or wrong, but it's reality. So he was the uninformed one (obviously not knowing what was going on and how his comments were going to be perceived), which okay is bad, but happens to everyone....money is a big part of it, so he didn't want to sound anti-China, but you can't do that without sounding anti-Hong Kong....it was a misstep. I don't think it makes him a bad person, just someone who made a mistake in an ultra sensitive situation.
Lebron who is usually very media savvy and careful with his words didn't think this thru...but I don't think he's wrong in thinking that while you're (he and his family, his team, other NBA employees and media) in China you better realize they're in charge and you should be respectful. I think all he meant by his comments was that Morey sort of put them in a little bit of danger and a bad situation by tweeting that while the Lakers/NBA/etc. were currently over there amid tensions. According to Rachel Nicols (who was also in China, and met with LeBron privately with 2 or 3 other reporters after THAT interview) LeBron was pissed because he thought Morey possibly could have put them in danger and didn't consider how that tweet could impact the NBA players/NBA representatives who were at the time in China....I don't think it's unreasonable to feel that way, but he should have been much more careful with how he worded it and been direct about what his frustrations were.
And part of me thinks Lebron is probably more than a little interested in continuing a positive relationship with China and to do so he can't be getting involved in their personal/political issues....I'm not saying that's right or wrong, but it's reality. So he was the uninformed one (obviously not knowing what was going on and how his comments were going to be perceived), which okay is bad, but happens to everyone....money is a big part of it, so he didn't want to sound anti-China, but you can't do that without sounding anti-Hong Kong....it was a misstep. I don't think it makes him a bad person, just someone who made a mistake in an ultra sensitive situation.
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That's some bullshit mental gymnastics.
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Deleted User 286
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Not really. He was pissed Morey said that while they were over there because it put them in danger. Seems reasonable.
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Deleted User 62
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Illy's calling card.
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CrimsonNBlue
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It’s complete disingenuous bullshit. Anyone buying it is an absolute sucker.IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:26 pmNot really. He was pissed Morey said that while they were over there because it put them in danger. Seems reasonable.
The NBA, LeBron, Kendrick Perkins, Steve Kerr, basically everyone but Morey can go F themselves over this entire situation.
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If Xing James was really worried about his safety in his 5-star hotel, then why is he and the rest of the NBA doubling and tripling down on and behind the business relationship?
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Deleted User 286
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It's definitely about the money. The NBA is a business. No surprises there.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:38 pm If Xing James was really worried about his safety in his 5-star hotel, then why is he and the rest of the NBA doubling and tripling down on and behind the business relationship?
But him being pissed at Morey was about more than the money aspect, even though I'm certain that played a role too.
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The NBA, champions of civil rights.......unless it affects our bottom line.
Fuck you Hong Kong!
Fuck you Hong Kong!
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Deleted User 286
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Since when are we supposed to depend on athletes to be champions of civil rights overseas?
The Hong Kong situation is complicated. Expecting a bunch of athletes, many of whom have only high school or a few years of college education, to be capable of navigating those waters is arrogant.
The NBA and the athletes do a fantastic job advocating for civil rights / human rights in communities all across our country. They deserve criticism on this, but not to be crucified. And definitely not to have their past actions overlooked.
The Hong Kong situation is complicated. Expecting a bunch of athletes, many of whom have only high school or a few years of college education, to be capable of navigating those waters is arrogant.
The NBA and the athletes do a fantastic job advocating for civil rights / human rights in communities all across our country. They deserve criticism on this, but not to be crucified. And definitely not to have their past actions overlooked.
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Wut a cunt.
“Nearly a week ago today, in a Shanghai hotel room, or Shanghai hotel ballroom, Adam Silver got up and addressed the players, and LeBron James is one of the players who got up and spoke and said, ‘Hey, what are we doing here? Daryl Morey made these statements. You know damn well if a player made the same statements and caused such poor ramifications for the league, there would be some sort of league recourse.'"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... Yowe9imrbI
“Nearly a week ago today, in a Shanghai hotel room, or Shanghai hotel ballroom, Adam Silver got up and addressed the players, and LeBron James is one of the players who got up and spoke and said, ‘Hey, what are we doing here? Daryl Morey made these statements. You know damn well if a player made the same statements and caused such poor ramifications for the league, there would be some sort of league recourse.'"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... Yowe9imrbI
Imjustheretohelpyoubuycrypto
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The NBA, we care about human rights.......unless is affects our bottom line.
Fuck you Hong Kong Humans!
Fuck you Hong Kong Humans!
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Deleted User 286
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Kellerman took LeBron to task on FirstTake, and I can't say I disagree much.
"It's easy to take a stand when the price to pay is small"
"It's easy to take a stand when the price to pay is small"
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https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/statu ... w">October
If you thought the Hong Kong issue and Daryl Morey drama were done once the Nets (and Lakers) left China, think again. It’s followed them all the way back stateside, and right into Barclays Center.
After the Nets’ preseason sweep of the Lakers in Shanghai and Shenzen were played in a tense atmosphere – China’s communist government cancelling community appearances and press conferences over the Houston Rockets GM’s tweet backing the Hong Kong protesters – a host of fans came to Brooklyn’s preseason finale and did the same thing.
Sitting in Section 1, diagonal from the Nets’ bench, nine fans in the front row donned white shirts with black lettering saying Free Tibet.
A far greater number of fans – some 100 China protesters filling about eight rows of seats – wore black shirts that read Stand With Hong Kong...
If you thought the Hong Kong issue and Daryl Morey drama were done once the Nets (and Lakers) left China, think again. It’s followed them all the way back stateside, and right into Barclays Center.
After the Nets’ preseason sweep of the Lakers in Shanghai and Shenzen were played in a tense atmosphere – China’s communist government cancelling community appearances and press conferences over the Houston Rockets GM’s tweet backing the Hong Kong protesters – a host of fans came to Brooklyn’s preseason finale and did the same thing.
Sitting in Section 1, diagonal from the Nets’ bench, nine fans in the front row donned white shirts with black lettering saying Free Tibet.
A far greater number of fans – some 100 China protesters filling about eight rows of seats – wore black shirts that read Stand With Hong Kong...
“We are living through a revolt against the future. The future will prevail.”
Anand Giridharadas
Anand Giridharadas
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And the Brooklyn Nets owner is...
Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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Deleted User 266
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^^^^^^^^
This guy......
Open letter to all NBA fans:
When I bought controlling interest in the Brooklyn Nets in September, I didn’t expect my first public communication with our fans would be to comment on something as politically charged and grossly misunderstood as the way hundreds of millions of Chinese NBA fans feel about what just happened.
By now you have heard that Chinese fans have reacted extremely negatively to a tweet put out by Houston Rockets GM Daryl Morey in support of protests in Hong Kong.
The Rockets, who by far had been the favorite team in China, are now effectively shut out of the Chinese market as fans abandon their love for the team, broadcasters refuse to air their games and Chinese corporates pull sponsorships in droves.
Fans in China are calling for an explanation – if they are not getting it from the Houston Rockets, then it is natural that they ask others associated with the NBA to express a view.
The NBA is a fan-first league. When hundreds of millions of fans are furious over an issue, the league, and anyone associated with the NBA, will have to pay attention. As a Governor of one of the 30 NBA teams, and a Chinese having spent a good part of my professional life in China, I need to speak up.
What is the problem with people freely expressing their opinion? This freedom is an inherent American value and the NBA has been very progressive in allowing players and other constituents a platform to speak out on issues.
The problem is, there are certain topics that are third-rail issues in certain countries, societies and communities.
Supporting a separatist movement in a Chinese territory is one of those third-rail issues, not only for the Chinese government, but also for all citizens in China.
The one thing that is terribly misunderstood, and often ignored, by the western press and those critical of China is that 1.4 billion Chinese citizens stand united when it comes to the territorial integrity of China and the country’s sovereignty over her homeland. This issue is non-negotiable.
A bit of historical perspective is important. In the mid-19thcentury, China fought two Opium Wars with the British, aided by the French, who forced through illegal trade of opium to China. A very weak Qing Dynasty government lost the wars and the result was the ceding of Hong Kong to the British as a colony.
The invasion of Chinese territories by foreign forces continued against a weak and defenseless Qing government, which precipitated in the Boxer Rebellion by Chinese peasants at the turn of the 20th century. In response, the Eight Nations Alliance – comprised of Japan, Russia, Britain, France, United States, Germany, Italy and Austria-Hungary – dispatched their forces to occupy Chinese territories in the name of humanitarian intervention. The foreign forces marched into the Chinese capital Peking (now called Beijing), defeated the peasant rebels and proceeded to loot and pillage the capital city.
In 1937, Japan invaded China by capturing Beijing, Shanghai and the then-Chinese capital Nanjing. Imperial Japanese troops committed mass murder and rape against the residents of Nanjing, resulting in several hundred thousand civilian deaths. The war of resistance by the Chinese against Japan ended after tens of millions of Chinese casualties, and only after America joined the war against Japan post-Pearl Harbor.
I am going into all of this because a student of history will understand that the Chinese psyche has heavy baggage when it comes to any threat, foreign or domestic, to carve up Chinese territories.
When the topic of any separatist movement comes up, Chinese people feel a strong sense of shame and anger because of this history of foreign occupation.
By now I hope you can begin to understand why the Daryl Morey tweet is so damaging to the relationship with our fans in China. I don’t know Daryl personally. I am sure he’s a fine NBA general manager, and I will take at face value his subsequent apology that he was not as well informed as he should have been. But the hurt that this incident has caused will take a long time to repair.
I hope to help the League to move on from this incident. I will continue to be an outspoken NBA Governor on issues that are important to China. I ask that our Chinese fans keep the faith in what the NBA and basketball can do to unite people from all over the world.
Sincerely,
Joe Tsai
This guy......
Open letter to all NBA fans:
When I bought controlling interest in the Brooklyn Nets in September, I didn’t expect my first public communication with our fans would be to comment on something as politically charged and grossly misunderstood as the way hundreds of millions of Chinese NBA fans feel about what just happened.
By now you have heard that Chinese fans have reacted extremely negatively to a tweet put out by Houston Rockets GM Daryl Morey in support of protests in Hong Kong.
The Rockets, who by far had been the favorite team in China, are now effectively shut out of the Chinese market as fans abandon their love for the team, broadcasters refuse to air their games and Chinese corporates pull sponsorships in droves.
Fans in China are calling for an explanation – if they are not getting it from the Houston Rockets, then it is natural that they ask others associated with the NBA to express a view.
The NBA is a fan-first league. When hundreds of millions of fans are furious over an issue, the league, and anyone associated with the NBA, will have to pay attention. As a Governor of one of the 30 NBA teams, and a Chinese having spent a good part of my professional life in China, I need to speak up.
What is the problem with people freely expressing their opinion? This freedom is an inherent American value and the NBA has been very progressive in allowing players and other constituents a platform to speak out on issues.
The problem is, there are certain topics that are third-rail issues in certain countries, societies and communities.
Supporting a separatist movement in a Chinese territory is one of those third-rail issues, not only for the Chinese government, but also for all citizens in China.
The one thing that is terribly misunderstood, and often ignored, by the western press and those critical of China is that 1.4 billion Chinese citizens stand united when it comes to the territorial integrity of China and the country’s sovereignty over her homeland. This issue is non-negotiable.
A bit of historical perspective is important. In the mid-19thcentury, China fought two Opium Wars with the British, aided by the French, who forced through illegal trade of opium to China. A very weak Qing Dynasty government lost the wars and the result was the ceding of Hong Kong to the British as a colony.
The invasion of Chinese territories by foreign forces continued against a weak and defenseless Qing government, which precipitated in the Boxer Rebellion by Chinese peasants at the turn of the 20th century. In response, the Eight Nations Alliance – comprised of Japan, Russia, Britain, France, United States, Germany, Italy and Austria-Hungary – dispatched their forces to occupy Chinese territories in the name of humanitarian intervention. The foreign forces marched into the Chinese capital Peking (now called Beijing), defeated the peasant rebels and proceeded to loot and pillage the capital city.
In 1937, Japan invaded China by capturing Beijing, Shanghai and the then-Chinese capital Nanjing. Imperial Japanese troops committed mass murder and rape against the residents of Nanjing, resulting in several hundred thousand civilian deaths. The war of resistance by the Chinese against Japan ended after tens of millions of Chinese casualties, and only after America joined the war against Japan post-Pearl Harbor.
I am going into all of this because a student of history will understand that the Chinese psyche has heavy baggage when it comes to any threat, foreign or domestic, to carve up Chinese territories.
When the topic of any separatist movement comes up, Chinese people feel a strong sense of shame and anger because of this history of foreign occupation.
By now I hope you can begin to understand why the Daryl Morey tweet is so damaging to the relationship with our fans in China. I don’t know Daryl personally. I am sure he’s a fine NBA general manager, and I will take at face value his subsequent apology that he was not as well informed as he should have been. But the hurt that this incident has caused will take a long time to repair.
I hope to help the League to move on from this incident. I will continue to be an outspoken NBA Governor on issues that are important to China. I ask that our Chinese fans keep the faith in what the NBA and basketball can do to unite people from all over the world.
Sincerely,
Joe Tsai