COVID-19 numbers

[Geezer]

who is "the media"?

[seahawk]

Thinking about schools and colleges...

[PhDhawk]

A monument to American selfishness, and the predictable result of leadership that made science take a backseat to wishcasting:

Yup. It is the acme of selfishness to want to make a living and not depend on the government to feed, clothe, and shelter us.

Except all those other countries are much closer to having fully open economies and not needing to make any restrictions because of the virus.

Maybe impatience is the better term than selfishness, but the point is we could have had a short period of strict shutdown or this long drawn out slow reopening.

This is like a bandaid that we're trying to take off on the worst way possible.

[Deleted User 310]

Thinking about schools and colleges...

My boss has a son who lives in Washington and has several grade school aged kids....they announced they're opening in the fall and all staff/students will wear masks 100% of the time....i honestly haven't decided what I will do with my 2 yet if IL goes a similar route. Can my soon to be 1st grader really wear a mask all day? Can my soon to be preschooler really wear a mask for the few hours 3 days a week he will be in preschool? Is it worth it? The older 1 I think can. And her school isn't huge, but its certainly not small...but the preschooler might just be better off staying home with my wife and/or mom. He will lose a little bit of socialization aspect, but learning wise he'd do just fine. I am tempted to wait (for both) a few weeks at the beginning just to see how it is playing out rather than let them be guinea pigs....even not counting asymptomatic spreaders, many parents still send sick kids to school all the time (im sure many don't have a choice, but still...), so I don't have a whole lot of faith in a portion of parents who already have proven to be careless about letting their kids infect others with whatever sickness.

I can't imagine living in dorms for college aged kids right now and expecting them somehow not to have it spread like wildfire.

[HouseDivided]

Thinking about schools and colleges...

My boss has a son who lives in Washington and has several grade school aged kids....they announced they're opening in the fall and all staff/students will wear masks 100% of the time....i honestly haven't decided what I will do with my 2 yet if IL goes a similar route. Can my soon to be 1st grader really wear a mask all day? Can my soon to be preschooler really wear a mask for the few hours 3 days a week he will be in preschool? Is it worth it? The older 1 I think can. And her school isn't huge, but its certainly not small...but the preschooler might just be better off staying home with my wife and/or mom. He will lose a little bit of socialization aspect, but learning wise he'd do just fine. I am tempted to wait (for both) a few weeks at the beginning just to see how it is playing out rather than let them be guinea pigs....even not counting asymptomatic spreaders, many parents still send sick kids to school all the time (im sure many don't have a choice, but still...), so I don't have a whole lot of faith in a portion of parents who already have proven to be careless about letting their kids infect others with whatever sickness.

I can't imagine living in dorms for college aged kids right now and expecting them somehow not to have it spread like wildfire.

People are going to get sick. It is a reality that will not be prevented by shutting things down. Data coming back is showing that the whole online school solution was a complete waste of time. You can't just not educate kids out of fear any more than you can shut down the economy out of fear. There are repercussions either way.

[HouseDivided]

A monument to American selfishness, and the predictable result of leadership that made science take a backseat to wishcasting:

Yup. It is the acme of selfishness to want to make a living and not depend on the government to feed, clothe, and shelter us.

Except all those other countries are much closer to having fully open economies and not needing to make any restrictions because of the virus.

Maybe impatience is the better term than selfishness, but the point is we could have had a short period of strict shutdown or this long drawn out slow reopening.

This is like a bandaid that we're trying to take off on the worst way possible.

As always, I wonder how many of those cases are asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic. The NYT has an agenda to push, so they aren't going to mess with specifics like that. The numbers we should be concerned with are deaths and median age of deaths. The rest is just not that important.

[CrimsonNBlue]

A monument to American selfishness, and the predictable result of leadership that made science take a backseat to wishcasting:

Yup. It is the acme of selfishness to want to make a living and not depend on the government to feed, clothe, and shelter us.

Except all those other countries are much closer to having fully open economies and not needing to make any restrictions because of the virus.

Maybe impatience is the better term than selfishness, but the point is we could have had a short period of strict shutdown or this long drawn out slow reopening.

This is like a bandaid that we're trying to take off on the worst way possible.

There are also countries that did not institute mandatory stay-at-home orders and their economies, like everyone else, still took a hit from the virus and are even giving out economic stimulus payments. The "sacrifice the economy for a select few" narrative here has been politically motivated bullshit from the beginning.

Science has been the correct predictor the entire time. The models don't lie. "I wish the virus was over" =/= "The virus is over."

[Deleted User 310]

Thinking about schools and colleges...

My boss has a son who lives in Washington and has several grade school aged kids....they announced they're opening in the fall and all staff/students will wear masks 100% of the time....i honestly haven't decided what I will do with my 2 yet if IL goes a similar route. Can my soon to be 1st grader really wear a mask all day? Can my soon to be preschooler really wear a mask for the few hours 3 days a week he will be in preschool? Is it worth it? The older 1 I think can. And her school isn't huge, but its certainly not small...but the preschooler might just be better off staying home with my wife and/or mom. He will lose a little bit of socialization aspect, but learning wise he'd do just fine. I am tempted to wait (for both) a few weeks at the beginning just to see how it is playing out rather than let them be guinea pigs....even not counting asymptomatic spreaders, many parents still send sick kids to school all the time (im sure many don't have a choice, but still...), so I don't have a whole lot of faith in a portion of parents who already have proven to be careless about letting their kids infect others with whatever sickness.

I can't imagine living in dorms for college aged kids right now and expecting them somehow not to have it spread like wildfire.

People are going to get sick. It is a reality that will not be prevented by shutting things down. Data coming back is showing that the whole online school solution was a complete waste of time. You can't just not educate kids out of fear any more than you can shut down the economy out of fear. There are repercussions either way.

On a large scale, i agree.

On the personal level, with a 1st grader (who is ahead of schedule on everything she was taught in kindergarten, largely because my wife and mom were able to care for her 100% of the time in her younger years...same with my younger 1) I am confident they can keep her at or above whatever learning level she would be at for 1st grade....were she older, I wouldn't feel that way....so in my personal situation I feel I can safely err on the side of extreme caution. Especially because she struggles far worse with respiratory infections than my younger one so far for whatever reason.....for the preschooler I'd like to get him in a classroom environment as early as possible because with 2 he obviously hasn't gotten quite as much 1 on 1 time as our first did....now, as a result, he excels at differnt things than she did at that age (physically speaking) because of his desire to keep up with his older sister. He can already count and do ABCs and all that preschool stuff they will teach him, but branching out would be good for him on other levels.

It is a tough spot....hopefully we make good progress on covid19 over the coming months and my decision is easier. My area still hasn't been hit as hard as some, and I'm definitely overly cautious when it comes to my kids...so there's that. If my area keeps being safe, maybe we can greatly reduce community to spread to a point where it is relatively safe to send them both without hesitation.

[sdoyel]

Yup. It is the acme of selfishness to want to make a living and not depend on the government to feed, clothe, and shelter us.

Except all those other countries are much closer to having fully open economies and not needing to make any restrictions because of the virus.

Maybe impatience is the better term than selfishness, but the point is we could have had a short period of strict shutdown or this long drawn out slow reopening.

This is like a bandaid that we're trying to take off on the worst way possible.

As always, I wonder how many of those cases are asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic. The NYT has an agenda to push, so they aren't going to mess with specifics like that. The numbers we should be concerned with are deaths and median age of deaths. The rest is just not that important.

You’re fucking full of shit. An asymptomatic case for someone can be deadly for someone else.

I’m tired of this fucking clown show on Capitol Hill and I’m tired of having to wear my mask around because of arrogant, entitled shit heads who don’t believe in science.

[sdoyel]

My boss has a son who lives in Washington and has several grade school aged kids....they announced they're opening in the fall and all staff/students will wear masks 100% of the time....i honestly haven't decided what I will do with my 2 yet if IL goes a similar route. Can my soon to be 1st grader really wear a mask all day? Can my soon to be preschooler really wear a mask for the few hours 3 days a week he will be in preschool? Is it worth it? The older 1 I think can. And her school isn't huge, but its certainly not small...but the preschooler might just be better off staying home with my wife and/or mom. He will lose a little bit of socialization aspect, but learning wise he'd do just fine. I am tempted to wait (for both) a few weeks at the beginning just to see how it is playing out rather than let them be guinea pigs....even not counting asymptomatic spreaders, many parents still send sick kids to school all the time (im sure many don't have a choice, but still...), so I don't have a whole lot of faith in a portion of parents who already have proven to be careless about letting their kids infect others with whatever sickness.

I can't imagine living in dorms for college aged kids right now and expecting them somehow not to have it spread like wildfire.

People are going to get sick. It is a reality that will not be prevented by shutting things down. Data coming back is showing that the whole online school solution was a complete waste of time. You can't just not educate kids out of fear any more than you can shut down the economy out of fear. There are repercussions either way.

On a large scale, i agree.

On the personal level, with a 1st grader (who is ahead of schedule on everything she was taught in kindergarten, largely because my wife and mom were able to care for her 100% of the time in her younger years...same with my younger 1) I am confident they can keep her at or above whatever learning level she would be at for 1st grade....were she older, I wouldn't feel that way....so in my personal situation I feel I can safely err on the side of extreme caution. Especially because she struggles far worse with respiratory infections than my younger one so far for whatever reason.....for the preschooler I'd like to get him in a classroom environment as early as possible because with 2 he obviously hasn't gotten quite as much 1 on 1 time as our first did....now, as a result, he excels at differnt things than she did at that age (physically speaking) because of his desire to keep up with his older sister. He can already count and do ABCs and all that preschool stuff they will teach him, but branching out would be good for him on other levels.

It is a tough spot....hopefully we make good progress on covid19 over the coming months and my decision is easier. My area still hasn't been hit as hard as some, and I'm definitely overly cautious when it comes to my kids...so there's that. If my area keeps being safe, maybe we can greatly reduce community to spread to a point where it is relatively safe to send them both without hesitation.

My 4 year olds pre school is in Dallas County at a church. He will start Kindergarten in Fall 2021. I’m hopeful he can catchup somehow this school year, but who knows what is going to happen come September.

[HouseDivided]

Except all those other countries are much closer to having fully open economies and not needing to make any restrictions because of the virus.

Maybe impatience is the better term than selfishness, but the point is we could have had a short period of strict shutdown or this long drawn out slow reopening.

This is like a bandaid that we're trying to take off on the worst way possible.

As always, I wonder how many of those cases are asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic. The NYT has an agenda to push, so they aren't going to mess with specifics like that. The numbers we should be concerned with are deaths and median age of deaths. The rest is just not that important.

You’re fucking full of shit. An asymptomatic case for someone can be deadly for someone else.

I’m tired of this fucking clown show on Capitol Hill and I’m tired of having to wear my mask around because of arrogant, entitled shit heads who don’t believe in science.

You’re choosing to be a dupe. That’s on you, not me.

[ousdahl]

who needs a expert advice when you got good ol' fashioned Merican gut instinct?

[jfish26]

Thinking about schools and colleges...

My boss has a son who lives in Washington and has several grade school aged kids....they announced they're opening in the fall and all staff/students will wear masks 100% of the time....i honestly haven't decided what I will do with my 2 yet if IL goes a similar route. Can my soon to be 1st grader really wear a mask all day? Can my soon to be preschooler really wear a mask for the few hours 3 days a week he will be in preschool? Is it worth it? The older 1 I think can. And her school isn't huge, but its certainly not small...but the preschooler might just be better off staying home with my wife and/or mom. He will lose a little bit of socialization aspect, but learning wise he'd do just fine. I am tempted to wait (for both) a few weeks at the beginning just to see how it is playing out rather than let them be guinea pigs....even not counting asymptomatic spreaders, many parents still send sick kids to school all the time (im sure many don't have a choice, but still...), so I don't have a whole lot of faith in a portion of parents who already have proven to be careless about letting their kids infect others with whatever sickness.

I can't imagine living in dorms for college aged kids right now and expecting them somehow not to have it spread like wildfire.

People are going to get sick. It is a reality that will not be prevented by shutting things down. Data coming back is showing that the whole online school solution was a complete waste of time. You can't just not educate kids out of fear any more than you can shut down the economy out of fear. There are repercussions either way.

The science, three-plus months ago now, was that severe, collective economic/social pain for 3-4 weeks would have worked, and put us in a position to resume normal life by about now. That science is borne out by the results in countries that, you know, took that route.

We had every opportunity to address this responsibly.

Instead, we have experienced the predictable results of some people caring and some people defying a physical virus out of ideological principal: we will have 3-4 quarters of severe economic pain - at least!

[HouseDivided]

My boss has a son who lives in Washington and has several grade school aged kids....they announced they're opening in the fall and all staff/students will wear masks 100% of the time....i honestly haven't decided what I will do with my 2 yet if IL goes a similar route. Can my soon to be 1st grader really wear a mask all day? Can my soon to be preschooler really wear a mask for the few hours 3 days a week he will be in preschool? Is it worth it? The older 1 I think can. And her school isn't huge, but its certainly not small...but the preschooler might just be better off staying home with my wife and/or mom. He will lose a little bit of socialization aspect, but learning wise he'd do just fine. I am tempted to wait (for both) a few weeks at the beginning just to see how it is playing out rather than let them be guinea pigs....even not counting asymptomatic spreaders, many parents still send sick kids to school all the time (im sure many don't have a choice, but still...), so I don't have a whole lot of faith in a portion of parents who already have proven to be careless about letting their kids infect others with whatever sickness.

I can't imagine living in dorms for college aged kids right now and expecting them somehow not to have it spread like wildfire.

People are going to get sick. It is a reality that will not be prevented by shutting things down. Data coming back is showing that the whole online school solution was a complete waste of time. You can't just not educate kids out of fear any more than you can shut down the economy out of fear. There are repercussions either way.

The science, three-plus months ago now, was that severe, collective economic/social pain for 3-4 weeks would have worked, and put us in a position to resume normal life by about now. That science is borne out by the results in countries that, you know, took that route.

We had every opportunity to address this responsibly.

Instead, we have experienced the predictable results of some people caring and some people defying a physical virus out of ideological principal: we will have 3-4 quarters of severe economic pain - at least!

Beijing says hello. And don't be a dupe.

And we had more than 3-4 weeks of severe economic pain. We had three months of it. The promised "fix" did not materialize because it was never intended to. It accomplished exactly what it was supposed to - cripple the economy and undermine the sitting POTUS. Don't be a dupe.

[Geezer]

Don't be a dope.
hilarious

[CrimsonNBlue]

who needs a expert advice when you got good ol' fashioned Merican gut instinct?

It's American Exceptionalism near its worst. "Don't you dare inconvenience me with your global pandemic, I need my fucking hair cut and my Ozark pool party!"

[ousdahl]

I just hope their end game really is as simple as haircuts and pool parties, cuz it otherwise feels like they’re trying to spite anyone who thinks they actually know what they’re talking about.

#DontBeDerped

[ousdahl]

I got upset with beav the other day cuz he went all psych about masks again. “I know the doctors and experts say we should wear them, but I just don’t think they really make that big of a difference.”

Stay in your lane doc, cuz beaver’s got a hunch.

[twocoach]

A monument to American selfishness, and the predictable result of leadership that made science take a backseat to wishcasting:

Yup. It is the acme of selfishness to want to make a living and not depend on the government to feed, clothe, and shelter us.

It's hard to be patient, we aren't a nation built for it. Immediate gratification is the current US model.

All our impatience is going to do is increase the amount of time we have to ride this out. Study after study is proving that but impatience in winning. Impatient people seem to have simply chosen to be OK with killing off another giant wave of US citizens so they can make some money.

[twocoach]

Thinking about schools and colleges...

My boss has a son who lives in Washington and has several grade school aged kids....they announced they're opening in the fall and all staff/students will wear masks 100% of the time....i honestly haven't decided what I will do with my 2 yet if IL goes a similar route. Can my soon to be 1st grader really wear a mask all day? Can my soon to be preschooler really wear a mask for the few hours 3 days a week he will be in preschool? Is it worth it? The older 1 I think can. And her school isn't huge, but its certainly not small...but the preschooler might just be better off staying home with my wife and/or mom. He will lose a little bit of socialization aspect, but learning wise he'd do just fine. I am tempted to wait (for both) a few weeks at the beginning just to see how it is playing out rather than let them be guinea pigs....even not counting asymptomatic spreaders, many parents still send sick kids to school all the time (im sure many don't have a choice, but still...), so I don't have a whole lot of faith in a portion of parents who already have proven to be careless about letting their kids infect others with whatever sickness.

I can't imagine living in dorms for college aged kids right now and expecting them somehow not to have it spread like wildfire.

People are going to get sick. It is a reality that will not be prevented by shutting things down. Data coming back is showing that the whole online school solution was a complete waste of time. You can't just not educate kids out of fear any more than you can shut down the economy out of fear. There are repercussions either way.

There is nothing out there that supports your argument at all. This whole "it is inevitable" shtick is just the justification song of the selfish and impatient.