dolomite wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:05 am
A lesson learned here for all races: Don't commit a crime, but if you have or if the police think you have, don't run from the police and don't resist arrest. Case in point Michael Brown, George Floyd, et.al.
I wish that was enough to prevent abuse from police officers but we have seen dozens and dozens of videos in the last 2 weeks that prove that this is simply not the case. The cops can simply claim that a victim of their abuse was "resisting arrest" and that is their golden ticket to treat that person however they choose.
Re: George Floyd and the Ensuing Protests
Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:29 am
by twocoach
I have shared details of the recent shooting of a black protester by a white bar owner here in Omaha and my disgust with the whole situation. Bear with me as I present a hypothetical:
1) Father of bar owner initiates a confrontation with a group of protesters by walking from the bar down the street about 30 feet to engage the group in some sort of confrontational conversation.
2) Father of bar owner escalates the confrontation by physically pushing one of the group of protesters twice.
3) Passerby sees physical contact by father of bar owner and responds by pushing the father of the bar owner. This action catches the eye of the bar owner, who approaches the confrontation along with multiple bouncers of the bar. Conversation ensues.
4) Conversation between the groups is escalated when the bar owner raises his shirt to display a pistol tucked into the waistband of his pants. When this does not result in the protesters leaving the conversation, the bar owner escalates again by pulling the weapon.
5) In response, one of the protesters jumps on the bar owner.
6) The bar owner shoots over his shoulder twice in an attempt to defend himself. Thank god no passerby was killed by either of these shots.
7) The two shots result in the protester fleeing the scene but another protester from the group now jumps on the bar owner to try to get the weapon away from him.
8) The bar owner again shoots over his shoulder behind him, this time killing the protester who had jumped on him.
9) Protester is killed; bar owner arrested initially before prosecutor announces he will be face no charges due to "self defense".
10) Prosecutor slightly steps back and is now sending the case to a grand jury but I fully expect the claim of self defense will hold up.
My hypothetical is this. The bar owner, despite his long history of assault convictions and despite multiple convictions for illegally concealing weapons, was still granted a concealed carry permit, which was expired at the time of this latest incident.
Let's discuss what we think would happen if all of the facts of the case involving the gun were moved from the white bar owner to the black protester. What if the black protester was the one carrying the weapon on an expired concealed carry permit? What if the black protester was the one who escalated the incident by displaying, and then pulling, the gun? What if the black protester was the one who again escalated the incident by shooting over his shoulder, resulting in the white bar owner being killed?
Does anyone in their right mind think that for one second that black protester would get out of this on"self defense"?!? Heck, does anyone think that the protester holding the gun with a dead white man in the street would have even survived to claim self defense when the police arrived at the scene?
THAT to me is a glimpse into the race inequality problem we're talking about these days. I hope that the last two weeks at least opens some eyes as to the reality of the situation that many black Americans face in their daily lives. I think many white people really take for granted the way we are viewed in the eyes of law enforcement and the law in this country and don't fully realize the impact that the different view given to non-whites by law enforcement and the law has on their lives and their communities.
Re: George Floyd and the Ensuing Protests
Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:03 pm
by Deleted User 318
Not sure what thread this goes into, but very not nice:
Men in KKK Hoods Carrying Trump Flags Interrupt Black Lives Matter Protest in Nevada
A peaceful Black Lives Matter protest in Nevada was briefly interrupted by two men wearing Ku Klux Klan hoods and carrying Donald Trump flags.
Does anyone else find it weird that some folks are mad about black people disrespecting the US flag by taking a knee during the anthem are also mad about NASCAR banned the Confederate Flag at races? Eh......
Re: George Floyd and the Ensuing Protests
Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:25 pm
by Deleted User 310
Didn't find it weird at all. Found it entirely predictable.
Kneeling during the anthem was never about disrespecting the flag or troops. If you remember, it was a vet who spoke to Kap and convinced him he should kneel rather than sit during the anthem (which is originally how he was protesting, by sitting on the bench, when this all started).
Re: George Floyd and the Ensuing Protests
Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:03 pm
by twocoach
Uh yeah, I know. We all know.
Re: George Floyd and the Ensuing Protests
Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:09 pm
by Mjl
twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:03 pm
Uh yeah, I know. We all know.
I didn't know
Re: George Floyd and the Ensuing Protests
Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:30 pm
by TDub
Nor did I. Havent paid attention to the Kap situation too much
Re: George Floyd and the Ensuing Protests
Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:07 pm
by Geezer
seriously?
Re: George Floyd and the Ensuing Protests
Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:50 pm
by TDub
Didnt know he talked to a vet. I knew he started kneeling
Re: George Floyd and the Ensuing Protests
Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:34 pm
by Deleted User 310
Re: George Floyd and the Ensuing Protests
Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:13 pm
by dolomite
NiceDC wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:03 pm
Not sure what thread this goes into, but very not nice:
Men in KKK Hoods Carrying Trump Flags Interrupt Black Lives Matter Protest in Nevada
A peaceful Black Lives Matter protest in Nevada was briefly interrupted by two men wearing Ku Klux Klan hoods and carrying Donald Trump flags.
Laughable if any one thinks the KKK people carrying Donald Trump flags are his supporters!
You seriously don't think those specific people are voting for Trump?!? Obviously they are not the only flavor of supporter he has but there's little doubt who they'll vote for if they vote.
I obviously dont and cant understand this from the perspective of a black person in Texas. But, changing a song because it was used in a play performed in blackface is an interesting case. I wonder if the history of the song being used in positive light (being Texas Football, wins, bowls, championships : championships with a black QB at that) outweighs the negative origin. Obviously some of the current student athletes dont think so, and they may be right, I cant know that answer.
You can change names, you cant change history, you can lose history, and lose sight of the things in history.
I obviously dont and cant understand this from the perspective of a black person in Texas. But, changing a song because it was used in a play performed in blackface is an interesting case. I wonder if the history of the song being used in positive light (being Texas Football, wins, bowls, championships : championships with a black QB at that) outweighs the negative origin. Obviously some of the current student athletes dont think so, and they may be right, I cant know that answer.
You can change names, you cant change history, you can lose history, and lose sight of the things in history.
You cant change the events of history but can change what is documented about those events to the point where people will believe that an entirely different history occurred.
I obviously dont and cant understand this from the perspective of a black person in Texas. But, changing a song because it was used in a play performed in blackface is an interesting case. I wonder if the history of the song being used in positive light (being Texas Football, wins, bowls, championships : championships with a black QB at that) outweighs the negative origin. Obviously some of the current student athletes dont think so, and they may be right, I cant know that answer.
You can change names, you cant change history, you can lose history, and lose sight of the things in history.
You cant change the events of history but can change what is documented about those events to the point where people will believe that an entirely different history occurred.
There are lessons to be learned from history. Both the good and the bad. Revisionist history has its own flaws and creates a false platform on which to stand.