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Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:29 pm
by Deleted User 89
TDub wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:21 pm
TraditionKU wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:49 pm i’ve got colleagues at Rocky Mountain Poison and Drug Safety, and was shocked at the numbers i was hearing as far as overdoses last year...more than 93,000 nationally
Thats a side effect of people being on lockdown for months on end.
that’s definitely a part of it

edit: heard a story on the radio a couple days ago that also implicated the virtual doctor/hospital visits...apparently, numerous drugs were given out in higher volumes because the patients wouldn’t be able to make it back in with regularity. so, for instance, someone would get a month’s worth rather than a week’s worth

Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:10 pm
by TDub
Idle hands and whatnot

Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:47 pm
by PhDhawk
Texas has seen nearly 9,000 COVID-19 deaths since February. All but 43 were unvaccinated people.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/07/21 ... ed-deaths/

Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:44 pm
by MICHHAWK
now that we are all vaccinated, we can focus our attention on the border.

Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:50 pm
by Mjl
MICHHAWK wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:44 pm now that we are all vaccinated, we can focus our attention on the border.
Yeah, fuck Canada

Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:10 pm
by TDub
Eh. Borders are overrated. Weve been too busy in haiti

Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:38 am
by pdub
MICHHAWK wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:44 pm now that we are all vaccinated, we can focus our attention on the border.
On the Border is probably the only Mexican joint Mich feels comfortable going to.

Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:39 am
by Deleted User 887
MICHHAWK wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:44 pm now that we are all vaccinated, we can focus our attention on the border.
"We" are not all vaccinated but YOU are free to focus all your attention on the border - if you would like. Have at it.
I'm curious, what if anything have YOU done about the border? Other than make ignorant comments about it on a Kansas message board.

Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:49 am
by defixione
MICHHAWK wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:44 pm now that we are all vaccinated, we can focus our attention on the border.
Are you going all in on climate change? All the coastal borders will be changing soon.

Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:01 am
by jfish26
defixione wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:49 am
MICHHAWK wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:44 pm now that we are all vaccinated, we can focus our attention on the border.
Are you going all in on climate change? All the coastal borders will be changing soon.
This thread was just a warmup, sheesh.

Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:21 am
by pdub
jfish26 wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:01 am
defixione wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:49 am
MICHHAWK wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:44 pm now that we are all vaccinated, we can focus our attention On The Border.
Are you going all in on climate change? All the coastal borders will be changing soon.
This thread was just a warmup, sheesh.
Sounds like a Pick 2 Combo™ to me.

Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:09 am
by PhDhawk
pdub wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:21 am
jfish26 wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:01 am
defixione wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:49 am

Are you going all in on climate change? All the coastal borders will be changing soon.
This thread was just a warmup, sheesh.
Sounds like a Pick 2 Combo™ to me.
Black beans or pinto?

Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:49 am
by jfish26
Lobby - warning: actual science ahead:

https://zenodo.org/record/5106841#.YPmEjo5Kjct
As for the vast majority of human viruses, the most parsimonious explanation for the origin of
SARS-CoV-2 is a zoonotic event. The documented epidemiological history of the virus is
comparable to previous animal market-associated outbreaks of coronaviruses with a simple
route for human exposure. The contact tracing of SARS-CoV-2 to markets in Wuhan exhibits
striking similarities to the early spread of SARS-CoV to markets in Guangdong, where humans
infected early in the epidemic lived near or worked in animal markets. Zoonotic spillover by
definition selects for viruses able to infect humans. The laboratory escapes documented to date have almost exclusively involved viruses brought into laboratories specifically because of their
known human infectivity.

There is currently no evidence that SARS-CoV-2 has a laboratory origin. There is no evidence
that any early cases had any connection to the WIV, in contrast to the clear epidemiological links
to animal markets in Wuhan, nor evidence that the WIV possessed or worked on a progenitor of
SARS-CoV-2 prior to the pandemic. The suspicion that SARS-CoV-2 might have a laboratory
origin stems from the coincidence that it was first detected in a city that houses a major
virological laboratory that studies coronaviruses. Wuhan is the largest city in central China with
multiple animal markets and is a major hub for travel and commerce, well connected to other
areas both within China and internationally. The link to Wuhan therefore more likely reflects the
fact that pathogens often require heavily populated areas to become established

We contend that there is substantial body of scientific evidence supporting a zoonotic origin for
SARS-CoV-2. While the possibility of a laboratory accident cannot be entirely dismissed, and
may be near impossible to falsify, this conduit for emergence is highly unlikely relative to the
numerous and repeated human-animal contacts that occur routinely in the wildlife trade. Failure
to comprehensively investigate the zoonotic origin through collaborative and carefully
coordinated studies would leave the world vulnerable to future pandemics arising from the same
human activities that have repeatedly put us on a collision course with novel viruses.
The Origins of SARS-CoV-2: A Critical Review
Edward C. Holmes1
, Stephen A. Goldstein2
, Angela L. Rasmussen3
, David L. Robertson4
,
Alexander Crits-Christoph5
, Joel O. Wertheim6
, Simon J. Anthony7
, Wendy S. Barclay8
, Maciej F.
Boni9
, Peter C. Doherty10, Jeremy Farrar11, Jemma L. Geoghegan12, Xiaowei Jiang13, Julian L.
Leibowitz14, Stuart J. D. Neil15, Tim Skern16, Susan R. Weiss17, Michael Worobey18, Kristian G.
Andersen19, Robert F. Garry20,21, Andrew Rambaut22.
1
Marie Bashir Institute for Infectious Diseases and Biosecurity,School of Life and Environmental
Sciences and School of Medical Sciences, The University of Sydney, Sydney, NSW 2006,
Australia.
2
Department of Human Genetics, University of Utah, Salt Lake City, UT 84112, USA.
3
Vaccine and Infectious Disease Organization, University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, SK, S7N
5E3, Canada.
4
MRC-University of Glasgow Centre for Virus Research, Glasgow, G61 1QH, UK.
5
Department of Plant and Microbial Biology, University of California Berkeley, Berkeley, CA
94704, USA.
6
Department of Medicine, University of California San Diego, La Jolla, CA 92093, USA.
7
Department of Pathology, Microbiology, and Immunology, University of California Davis School
of Veterinary Medicine, Davis, CA 95616, USA.
8
Department of Infectious Disease, Imperial College London, W2 1PG, UK.
9
Center for Infectious Disease Dynamics, Department of Biology, The Pennsylvania State
University, University Park, PA 16802, USA.
10Department of Microbiology and Immunology, The University of Melbourne at the Doherty
Institute, 792 Elizabeth St, Melbourne, VIC 3000, Australia.
11The Wellcome Trust, London, NW1 2BE, UK.
12Department of Microbiology and Immunology, University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand.
Institute of Environmental Science and Research, Wellington, New Zealand.
13Department of Biological Sciences, Xi'an Jiaotong-Liverpool University (XJTLU), Suzhou,
China.
14Department of Microbial Pathogenesis and Immunology, Texas A&M University, College
Station, TX 77807, USA.
This document is copyright of the authors. It is made available under a CC-BY-NC-ND 4.0 International license.
15Department of Infectious Diseases, King’s College London, Guy’s Hospital, London SE1 9RT,
UK.
16Max Perutz Labs, Medical University of Vienna, Vienna Biocenter, Dr. Bohr-Gasse 9/3, A-1030
Vienna, Austria.
17Perelman School of Medicine, University of Pennsylvania. Philadelphia, PA 19104, USA.
18Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ 85721,
USA.
19Department of Immunology and Microbiology, The Scripps Research Institute, La Jolla, CA
92037, USA.
20Department of Microbiology and Immunology, Tulane University School of Medicine, New
Orleans, LA 70112, USA.
21Zalgen Labs, Germantown, MD 20876, USA.
22Institute of Evolutionary Biology, University of Edinburgh, Edinburgh, EH9 3FL, UK

Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:51 am
by ousdahl
Pretty sure lobby finally got boiled

Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:10 am
by jhawks99
One can hope.

Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:17 am
by ousdahl
he was pretty shamelessly poking (pinching?) the bear about it for a while.

But somehow, even despite being a cool guy on the boreds of past, he seemed to loose all awareness.

guess that’s among the unfortunate side effects of reshaping your world view based on literal nazi message boreds

Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:25 am
by PhDhawk
As a know-it-all who works with pathogens professionally, one thing I've always thought that was evidence against a lab leak (at least an accidental one) is that when you're studying a pathogen, if you go to the freezer stocks where they stored, you'd have a couple vials of the wild type pathogen and then you'd have hundreds of other vials of pathogens that you obviously genetically manipulated. For example, you'd have it express a green fluorescence protein for microscopy, or have epitope-tagged genes for immunoprecipitations, or transposon insertions to study mutants, etc. Basically obvious indicators that it was lab manipulated. It would be statistically improbable then that the one strain that got out, was the one of the wild-type non-modified versions and not one of the countless modified versions.

Of course if you were building a "bio-weapon" you'd cover your tracks...but then why release it in China?

Also, I'm not sure how much access the lab has granted to investigators, but you'd have to be incredibly thorough to destroy every piece of evidence, every strain, every lab notebook, every computer file, etc.

Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:33 am
by Deleted User 89
sounds like a typical conspiracy theory

too many moving parts to be a logical conclusion

Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:52 am
by zsn
The only plausible lab origin theory which makes sense is that someone in the lab got accidentally infected during routine handling of the wild type virus and they then gave it to someone who gave it to someone etc. That would account for a whole vial/sample not going missing. Wet market is a community hub and would be a natural spreading point.

Possible but highly improbable.

Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:54 am
by Deleted User 89
and nearly all of the early cases cluster around the market...none around the lab