Kansas Crimson

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:57 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:24 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:20 am

Oh, no doubt. And not just competent, but (darkly) principled. Our saving grace was that Trump was neither competent nor truly principled.

You don't find "whatever gets my ego fed, my rocks off or my pocket lined" to be highly principled?

You're of course correct; he is deeply principled. It's just that his deeply-help principles are far less dangerous for the country than the deeply-held principles of others in the GOP.

And what the Trump Presidency displayed is that there are a far larger number of people in this country who are similarly principled than I had originally thought. I see them now, though.

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:29 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:57 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:24 am

You don't find "whatever gets my ego fed, my rocks off or my pocket lined" to be highly principled?

You're of course correct; he is deeply principled. It's just that his deeply-help principles are far less dangerous for the country than the deeply-held principles of others in the GOP.

And what the Trump Presidency displayed is that there are a far larger number of people in this country who are similarly principled than I had originally thought. I see them now, though.

Well what's happened is that the GOP doesn't have a chance in national elections without the white supremacist vote. So it had to embrace and embolden them.

dt was a one-off. you can continue to blubber and blather that the republican party consists of nothing more than white rascists. whatever gets you through the failings of the current administration.

"yes the current administration has been a dreadful disappointment. oh well. lets just continue to beat the same old deadhorse."

-kcrim-

who said anything about white racists?

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:40 am dt was a one-off. you can continue to blubber and blather that the republican party consists of nothing more than white rascists. whatever gets you through the failings of the current administration.

Oh, I certainly don't think that the GOP is ONLY that. The vast majority of my family are Republicans and most of them are perfectly normal people. A few country bumpkins, a few military Rah Rah "patriots", and a few gun nuts, a couple of racist redneck assholes but mostly just good, normal, conservative people. It just became obvious that there is a far higher percentage of "I only care about me and what I want" people than the small percentage I thought there was.

And DT was far from a one-off. He sold himself as the politician of the people and there are tens of millions of people who are devoted to him because they feel his message more closely resembles their than any politician before him. Dismissing him as a "one-off" is wishful thinking.

oh, you mean selfish assholes like mich?

the gerrymandering and redistricting drama is about to get thick over the next few months

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:27 pm the gerrymandering and redistricting drama is about to get thick over the next few months

Moscow Mitch playing his "politics" as well...

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:27 pm the gerrymandering and redistricting drama is about to get thick over the next few months

Republicans are desperately trying to redraw district lines here in Omaha after Trump lost that one electoral vote in 2020. So far, Dems have been able to hold them off but we'll see.

https://apnews.com/article/legislature- ... bc610d0e43

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:12 pm

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:27 pm the gerrymandering and redistricting drama is about to get thick over the next few months

Republicans are desperately trying to redraw district lines here in Omaha after Trump lost that one electoral vote in 2020. So far, Dems have been able to hold them off but we'll see.

https://apnews.com/article/legislature- ... bc610d0e43

just heard estimates that through gerrymandering alone, pubs could gain 5-13 house seats

so undemocratic

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:18 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:12 pm

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:27 pm the gerrymandering and redistricting drama is about to get thick over the next few months

Republicans are desperately trying to redraw district lines here in Omaha after Trump lost that one electoral vote in 2020. So far, Dems have been able to hold them off but we'll see.

https://apnews.com/article/legislature- ... bc610d0e43

just heard estimates that through gerrymandering alone, pubs could gain 5-13 house seats

so undemocratic

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... appalling/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.co ... 1622759603

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/pritzker ... mandering/

it’s undemocratic both ways

but you’re even more of an idiot than i thought if you think there is any equality at all in which party does this more

https://www.businessinsider.com/partisa ... ats-2017-6

Analysis: Partisan gerrymandering has benefited Republicans more than Democrats

and that’s just from 2017

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... rts-states

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues ... mandering/

EVERY state should use either bipartisan or independent committees for redistricting

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... ms/620403/

...To rid the country of partisan gerrymandering, Democrats for years joined with election reformers to take the responsibility for redistricting away from politicians and hand it to independent, nonpartisan commissions. The effort did not begin as an entirely altruistic project; both parties gerrymandered where they could, but Democrats had more to gain by scrapping the practice. They won the argument in a number of places: Voters in states including California, Colorado, Arizona, Michigan, and Virginia have approved redistricting commissions over the past 15 years, protecting more than one in five congressional seats from the threat of extreme gerrymandering.

Republicans, to a large degree, declined to go along. They refused to cede control of the redistricting process in the biggest red states (such as Texas) and fought commissions that could have cost them seats (Arizona) all the way to the Supreme Court. In Congress this year, they blocked legislation that would have created nonpartisan commissions across the country. The GOP’s reward for its defense of gerrymandering is a national map tilted further in its favor than it would have been if the Democratic push for independent commissions had flopped on its face...

Actually the Republicans (most of them anyway) were in favor of the ballot measure which created the California Redistricting Commission. They thought that the changing demographics meant that the Democrats could create a map with the super majority that they have in the legislature. Little did they realize that it would be their behavior and policies that are to blame for their poor performance in elections. That and the jungle primary has made them irrelevant in California (as they well deserve).