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Re: Charges
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 12:53 pm
by Shirley
Indictment unsealed:
Re: Charges
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 12:54 pm
by KUTradition
“holy crap” is quite the understatement
Re: Charges
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 12:56 pm
by Shirley
KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 12:54 pm
“holy crap” is quite the understatement
No shit.
No wonder they didn't feel like they had to file the charges in DC to help get a sympathetic jury, and risk reversal based on venue.
Re: Charges
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 12:58 pm
by Shirley
Jack Smith on TV at 3:00 eastern:
Re: Charges
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:02 pm
by Shirley
And, apparently, top secret documents were found stored in boxes on a stage at MarooooLagooo.
Re: Charges
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:12 pm
by Shirley
They're reading thru the indictment live on TV:
According to Andrew Weinstein, after skimming the 50 page indictment, the charges only deal with the time after the date of the grand jury subpoena, and have nothing to do with what happened before, i.e., with the National Archives, etc.
Documents also found in "a ballroom, a bathroom, and a shower".
There is also a text exchange between the Valet Nauta and an unknown female Trump relative, where the Trump person talks about how Nauta is planning to send boxes to Bedminster, NJ, telling him they're not sure there's enough room for all the boxes on the plane.
Re: Charges
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:19 pm
by Shirley
Re: Charges
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:29 pm
by Shirley
Unfuckingbelievable, except, Trump:
Re: Charges
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:32 pm
by japhy
ruh roh
Re: Charges
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:35 pm
by Shirley
there are color pictures, too:
Re: Charges
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:40 pm
by ousdahl
I like how twitter flags that “holy crap” tweet as potentially sensitive content
Re: Charges
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:07 pm
by Shirley
Re: Charges
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:08 pm
by Shirley
Re: Charges
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:09 pm
by Shirley
Re: Charges
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:21 pm
by Shirley
Re: Charges
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:37 pm
by MICHHAWK
security clearance or no security clearance. the kid rock is a great American rock n roller. if you get the chance to see him live. take it.
Re: Charges
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:49 pm
by KUTradition
Many elected Republicans reacted with outrage to special counsel Jack Smith's indictment of former President Donald Trump -- but one-time Republican insider David Frum believes it's all for show.
Frum, a former speechwriter for President George W. Bush, writes in The Atlantic that many Republicans secretly want the former president completely out of the national picture but are too afraid to say so due to wrath from their voters.
Frum now thinks it's time for Republicans to "quit pretending" to feel deep loyalty to Trump.
In his column, Frum outlines the dangers of trying to appease the MAGA base instead of simply leveling with them that the former president is a criminal who deserves to be held accountable under the rule of law.
"These plans depend on the non-Trump political actors performing just convincingly enough that their audience is deceived, but not so convincingly that their audience is mobilized to actually do something inconvenient about it," he writes. "That undesirable something might be some kind of mass protest or even violence. Or possibly it would take the form of conservative voters losing faith in the system and withdrawing from voting and political participation altogether."
Frum goes on to explain how American conservatives put themselves in this position in the first place by wrapping their arms around a man who has shown time and again to lack basic ethics and moral character.
"The conservative world in the age of Trump has coiled itself into a labyrinth of lies: lies about Trump’s victimhood, lies about Trump’s popularity, lies about Trump’s election outcomes, lies about Trump’s mental acuity and physical strength," he writes. "The architects of the labyrinth presumed that they could always, if necessary, find an exit—and that their keys could someday turn the exit’s locks. Instead, they have found themselves as lost and trapped in the labyrinth as the deceived people they lured into it."
Re: Charges
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:52 pm
by Mjl
Is the tl;dr of this basically that Trump kept these just so he could show people that he had this cool super secret info? Basically the same as that kid who just got arrested for showing classified stuff to his gaming group, or something like that?
That seems like what I would have expected. What a fucking idiot.
Re: Charges
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 3:08 pm
by KUTradition
Mjl wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:52 pm
Is the tl;dr of this basically that Trump kept these just so he could show people that he had this cool super secret info? Basically the same as that kid who just got arrested for showing classified stuff to his gaming group, or something like that?
That seems like what I would have expected. What a fucking idiot.
i think that’s definitely an aspect
however, his coziness with foreign dictators/authoritarians, coupled with his desire for retribution whenever he feels wronged, leaves open the possibility of more nefarious motivations
Re: Charges
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 3:11 pm
by MICHHAWK
you are talking about a man that has dedicated the last 8+ years of his life to making America great again. no way did/does he have "nefarious motivations." he only wants what's best for us.