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PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:04 pm The most likely scenario is the virus was a natural occurrence. We don't know that is was man made, there is certainly no direct evidence that it was man made...some circumstantial evidence, but far from anything concrete.

The NIH funded research in China to screen for bats that carried coronaviruses and to see how susceptible humans were to infection with the viruses. (In cell culture, not infecting actual humans). If the Chinese used the money from the NIH and NIAID to create a gain of function, it wasn't in their grant proposal, and that's not what the NIH approved the money for.

Now, do I personally think that the NIH should stop funding research in foreign labs and instead spend that money domestically, you bet your ass I do. But that is largely because I have two NIH grants that I'm submitting by the end of October. So, yeah, fuck the Chinese, fund American researchers in American labs.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:22 pm Yeah, cause multinational conspiracy theories and global coverups are usually the simplest explanation.

sorry, dude, I tried to be cordial today, but you're an idiot. Now it's a global conspiracy and all the worlds governments are in on it, and they all have managed to keep it a secret?

Ok.

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:18 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:04 pm The most likely scenario is the virus was a natural occurrence. We don't know that is was man made, there is certainly no direct evidence that it was man made...some circumstantial evidence, but far from anything concrete.

The NIH funded research in China to screen for bats that carried coronaviruses and to see how susceptible humans were to infection with the viruses. (In cell culture, not infecting actual humans). If the Chinese used the money from the NIH and NIAID to create a gain of function, it wasn't in their grant proposal, and that's not what the NIH approved the money for.

Now, do I personally think that the NIH should stop funding research in foreign labs and instead spend that money domestically, you bet your ass I do. But that is largely because I have two NIH grants that I'm submitting by the end of October. So, yeah, fuck the Chinese, fund American researchers in American labs.

Are you going to be researching how to get already vaccinated people vaccinated? Like you want me to do.

Simplest explanation is often the correct one. If this was just a normal natural virus why would all the worlds governments come together and shut the whole world down. Because they knew it came from a research lab. Give that scenario an honest consideration

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:57 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:54 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:43 pm shutting down the economy was supposed to save us. wearing masks was supposed to save us. vaccines are supposed to save us. will any of it? do we really even need to be saved? people just need to relax. most the world is getting back to living a normal life. most the country is getting back to living a normal life. 2 weeks to flatten the curve gone wrong is all this is at this point. Our species is not above nature. people get sick sometimes. everyone eventually dies. just breathe guys. daddy can come tuck you into bed tonight if you're scared

There are a lot bigger problems in the world than covid. the biggest problem is human beings. we are causing a mass extinction on earth right now of everything but ourselves. our population is still holding strong and rapidly approaching 8 billion

Shutting down unquestionably saved lives and would have saved more had more of the population followed guidelines.

Wearing masks unquestionably saved lives and would have saved more had more of the population followed guidelines.

The Vaccine unquestionably saved lives and would have saved more had more of the population got vaccinated.

Yes, people get sick. Yes, people die. If you don't think that preventative measures to avoid sickness and death are necessary then repeal helmet and seat belt laws, make all narcotics legal, hand out guns to everyone who wants one no matter their age and let's see if we can cull the herd by a few billion...

I just want covid to go away so there are less ignorant conversations like this. It makes me sad for humanity to know so many are so selfish and irresponsible. I liked it better when I just assumed a lot of people were that way. The constant confirmation is getting to be too much.

Sweden never shut anything down and had much better results against covid than our country did the entire process. states that reopened sooner... like florida or texas for example. showed no notable differences than places like New york. all are very heavily populated but took drastically different approaches to covid but ended with similar results in the end. so maybe you should question it. if any of it is really that effective or necessary

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:21 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:57 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:54 pm
Shutting down unquestionably saved lives and would have saved more had more of the population followed guidelines.

Wearing masks unquestionably saved lives and would have saved more had more of the population followed guidelines.

The Vaccine unquestionably saved lives and would have saved more had more of the population got vaccinated.

Yes, people get sick. Yes, people die. If you don't think that preventative measures to avoid sickness and death are necessary then repeal helmet and seat belt laws, make all narcotics legal, hand out guns to everyone who wants one no matter their age and let's see if we can cull the herd by a few billion...

I just want covid to go away so there are less ignorant conversations like this. It makes me sad for humanity to know so many are so selfish and irresponsible. I liked it better when I just assumed a lot of people were that way. The constant confirmation is getting to be too much.

Sweden never shut anything down and had much better results against covid than our country did the entire process. states that reopened sooner... like florida or texas for example. showed no notable differences than places like New york. all are very heavily populated but took drastically different approaches to covid but ended with similar results in the end. so maybe you should question it. if any of it is really that effective or necessary

You mean this Florida?

""The state accounts for one in five new infections in the U.S. and logged 73,181 cases over the past week, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Florida had 341 cases per 100,000 people over the past week, second only to Louisiana. The weekly total of new cases reported by Florida jumped more than fourfold between July 1 and July 22, reaching its highest point since mid-January."

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:51 pm To think people in positions of power don't conspire is to discredit everything we know about human behavior and history

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:04 pm The most likely scenario is the virus was a natural occurrence. We don't know that is was man made, there is certainly no direct evidence that it was man made...some circumstantial evidence, but far from anything concrete.