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ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:05 pm
I mean, pretty much every human rights organization in the world identifies the place as an apartheid state, right?

Israeli airstrikes pounded Gaza on Monday, flattening mosques over the heads of worshipers, wiping away a busy marketplace full of shoppers and killing entire families, witnesses and authorities in Gaza said.

Five Israeli airstrikes ripped through the marketplace in the Jabaliya refugee camp, reducing it to rubble and killing dozens, the authorities said. Other strikes hit four mosques in the Shati refugee camp and killed people worshiping inside, they said. Witnesses said boys had been playing soccer outside one of the mosques when it was struck.
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Israel also has said it issued warnings before strikes, urging civilians to leave. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel warned Gazans to get out of the way of any potential Hamas targets on Saturday night. And warnings came before airstrikes hit and demolished four tower buildings in Gaza on Saturday and Sunday.

Gazans say that most of the strikes have been indiscriminate, and that most have come without warnings. Also, Gazans say they have nowhere to go; the enclave has no bomb shelters, and residents cannot leave because of the 16-year land, air and sea blockade by Israel and Egypt, which limits what comes into the enclave and prevents most people from leaving.

“The strikes started suddenly without warning,” said Haneen Mousa, who lives near one of the mosques that were hit. “They targeted the mosque next to us and the cement blocks, the metal, the walls all fell on us.”

At a news briefing Monday morning, an Israeli military official declined to comment on whether the military had stopped giving warnings before carrying out airstrikes on homes and apartment buildings.
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Since Israel began its airstrikes on Saturday, at least 687 Palestinians have been killed, the Gazan Health Ministry said on Monday, and nearly 3,000 others have been wounded. The casualties included 140 children and 105 women, the ministry said, in some cases entire families.
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The United Nations and Palestinian officials have said that at least two hospitals and multiple homes also have been hit.
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Gaza’s health ministry said that Israeli strikes were “directly and systematically” targeting ambulances, and that at least nine had been struck since Saturday.
The U.N. humanitarian agency said Israeli airstrikes have damaged water, sanitation and hygiene facilitates affecting more than 400,000 people in Gaza. Two schools run by the U.N. agency that helps Palestinian refugees have been hit by strikes, according to the United Nations.
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On Monday, Israel’s defense minister announced a “complete siege” of Gaza, saying “no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel” would be allowed in. Telephone and internet service were cut off in many parts of Gaza on Monday after an Israeli strike hit the building housing the Palestine Telecommunications Company in the city center.

Amid widespread fear in Gaza about the Israeli response, many people fleeing other parts of the blockaded enclave had come to seek shelter in central Jabaliya, in the northern part of the strip, where shops and homes surround the market area. Monday’s strike hit as vendors and customers packed the marketplace, stocking up on food and produce.
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“If there had been warning, we would have gotten out before; instead, all of a sudden, three floors fell on top of us,”

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 9:48 pm
Then, we got the other side bombing mosques and ambulances and hospitals and entire fucking families, and the response is to send a fleet of warships as a show of support.

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 9:53 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 9:48 pm
Then, we got the other side bombing mosques and ambulances and hospitals and entire fucking families, and the response is to send a fleet of warships as a show of support.

Holy shit.

"witnesses and authorities in Gaza said."

Are you sure you're OK?

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 9:53 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 9:48 pm
Then, we got the other side bombing mosques and ambulances and hospitals and entire fucking families, and the response is to send a fleet of warships as a show of support.

Holy shit.

"witnesses and authorities in Gaza said."

Are you sure you're OK?

TDub wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:51 pm I don't understand how anyone can't determine which "side" deserves the blame here and which "side" is wrong.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:56 pm do you mean to suggest one "side" is right?

and deserves no blame?

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:32 pm (from one of the largest and oldest newspapers in Israel)

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editori ... fd1c880000

The disaster that befell Israel on the holiday of Simchat Torah is the clear responsibility of one person: Benjamin Netanyahu. The prime minister, who has prided himself on his vast political experience and irreplaceable wisdom in security matters, completely failed to identify the dangers he was consciously leading Israel into when establishing a government of annexation and dispossession, when appointing Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben-Gvir to key positions, while embracing a foreign policy that openly ignored the existence and rights of Palestinians.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 9:46 pm I condemn that violence.

I condemn this violence too.

Israeli airstrikes pounded Gaza on Monday, flattening mosques over the heads of worshipers, wiping away a busy marketplace full of shoppers and killing entire families, witnesses and authorities in Gaza said.

Five Israeli airstrikes ripped through the marketplace in the Jabaliya refugee camp, reducing it to rubble and killing dozens, the authorities said. Other strikes hit four mosques in the Shati refugee camp and killed people worshiping inside, they said. Witnesses said boys had been playing soccer outside one of the mosques when it was struck.
…
Israel also has said it issued warnings before strikes, urging civilians to leave. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel warned Gazans to get out of the way of any potential Hamas targets on Saturday night. And warnings came before airstrikes hit and demolished four tower buildings in Gaza on Saturday and Sunday.

Gazans say that most of the strikes have been indiscriminate, and that most have come without warnings. Also, Gazans say they have nowhere to go; the enclave has no bomb shelters, and residents cannot leave because of the 16-year land, air and sea blockade by Israel and Egypt, which limits what comes into the enclave and prevents most people from leaving.

“The strikes started suddenly without warning,” said Haneen Mousa, who lives near one of the mosques that were hit. “They targeted the mosque next to us and the cement blocks, the metal, the walls all fell on us.”

At a news briefing Monday morning, an Israeli military official declined to comment on whether the military had stopped giving warnings before carrying out airstrikes on homes and apartment buildings.
…
Since Israel began its airstrikes on Saturday, at least 687 Palestinians have been killed, the Gazan Health Ministry said on Monday, and nearly 3,000 others have been wounded. The casualties included 140 children and 105 women, the ministry said, in some cases entire families.
…
The United Nations and Palestinian officials have said that at least two hospitals and multiple homes also have been hit.
…
Gaza’s health ministry said that Israeli strikes were “directly and systematically” targeting ambulances, and that at least nine had been struck since Saturday.
The U.N. humanitarian agency said Israeli airstrikes have damaged water, sanitation and hygiene facilitates affecting more than 400,000 people in Gaza. Two schools run by the U.N. agency that helps Palestinian refugees have been hit by strikes, according to the United Nations.
…
On Monday, Israel’s defense minister announced a “complete siege” of Gaza, saying “no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel” would be allowed in. Telephone and internet service were cut off in many parts of Gaza on Monday after an Israeli strike hit the building housing the Palestine Telecommunications Company in the city center.

Amid widespread fear in Gaza about the Israeli response, many people fleeing other parts of the blockaded enclave had come to seek shelter in central Jabaliya, in the northern part of the strip, where shops and homes surround the market area. Monday’s strike hit as vendors and customers packed the marketplace, stocking up on food and produce.
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“If there had been warning, we would have gotten out before; instead, all of a sudden, three floors fell on top of us,”

Man, NYT doing an actual journalism here…well, except for the part about omitting the defense minister calling these people “human animals.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/09/worl ... aliya.html

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:41 am yes, I'm aware it's an opinion piece. I was surprised to see it at this moment in time in western/Israeli media either way.

but, yes.

like I said, the selective outrage and misinformation and hypocrisy and scapegoating and comprehensive horror of this situation is just too much. I feel for all of those affected, both directly and indirectly, and it hurts to even just think about it.

my mistake for having the heart to try and speak up about it. Again, I apologize!

I'll go back to sitting out.

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:49 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 9:46 pm I condemn that violence.

I condemn this violence too.

Israeli airstrikes pounded Gaza on Monday, flattening mosques over the heads of worshipers, wiping away a busy marketplace full of shoppers and killing entire families, witnesses and authorities in Gaza said.

Five Israeli airstrikes ripped through the marketplace in the Jabaliya refugee camp, reducing it to rubble and killing dozens, the authorities said. Other strikes hit four mosques in the Shati refugee camp and killed people worshiping inside, they said. Witnesses said boys had been playing soccer outside one of the mosques when it was struck.
…
Israel also has said it issued warnings before strikes, urging civilians to leave. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel warned Gazans to get out of the way of any potential Hamas targets on Saturday night. And warnings came before airstrikes hit and demolished four tower buildings in Gaza on Saturday and Sunday.

Gazans say that most of the strikes have been indiscriminate, and that most have come without warnings. Also, Gazans say they have nowhere to go; the enclave has no bomb shelters, and residents cannot leave because of the 16-year land, air and sea blockade by Israel and Egypt, which limits what comes into the enclave and prevents most people from leaving.

“The strikes started suddenly without warning,” said Haneen Mousa, who lives near one of the mosques that were hit. “They targeted the mosque next to us and the cement blocks, the metal, the walls all fell on us.”

At a news briefing Monday morning, an Israeli military official declined to comment on whether the military had stopped giving warnings before carrying out airstrikes on homes and apartment buildings.
…
Since Israel began its airstrikes on Saturday, at least 687 Palestinians have been killed, the Gazan Health Ministry said on Monday, and nearly 3,000 others have been wounded. The casualties included 140 children and 105 women, the ministry said, in some cases entire families.
…
The United Nations and Palestinian officials have said that at least two hospitals and multiple homes also have been hit.
…
Gaza’s health ministry said that Israeli strikes were “directly and systematically” targeting ambulances, and that at least nine had been struck since Saturday.
The U.N. humanitarian agency said Israeli airstrikes have damaged water, sanitation and hygiene facilitates affecting more than 400,000 people in Gaza. Two schools run by the U.N. agency that helps Palestinian refugees have been hit by strikes, according to the United Nations.
…
On Monday, Israel’s defense minister announced a “complete siege” of Gaza, saying “no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel” would be allowed in. Telephone and internet service were cut off in many parts of Gaza on Monday after an Israeli strike hit the building housing the Palestine Telecommunications Company in the city center.

Amid widespread fear in Gaza about the Israeli response, many people fleeing other parts of the blockaded enclave had come to seek shelter in central Jabaliya, in the northern part of the strip, where shops and homes surround the market area. Monday’s strike hit as vendors and customers packed the marketplace, stocking up on food and produce.
…
“If there had been warning, we would have gotten out before; instead, all of a sudden, three floors fell on top of us,”

Man, NYT doing an actual journalism here…well, except for the part about omitting the defense minister calling these people “human animals.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/09/worl ... aliya.html

I'm really ticked off because I just spent 30 minutes responding in detail to everything in the article. I did it on "notes" and when I went to transfer it to this site I accidentally deleted it.

I don't have another 30 minutes to spare right now but what I do have the time to say is, War and payback is a bitch. I'm not saying that in a snide manner. I am saying it in a sincere manner.
I 100% sympathize in regards to Palestinian civilians being killed and suffering but let's be honest here, Hamas made a choice and they knew damn well the Israeli's would retaliate. They knew damn well there would be civilian casualties. Is it too simplistic to say they didn't give a flying fuck about their citizens being killed and suffering because of THEIR (the terrorists) actions? Maybe but I feel it's pretty much true. Is it not? If it is true, then they certainly are no better than the Israelis who they have all this hatred for. Just my opinion.