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Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:20 pm
by Qusdahl
Yeah, of course you’re not over-simplifying.
Not in this analogy, at least.
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:24 pm
by KUTradition
Qusdahl wrote: ↑Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:13 pm
What the eff is this, seeking context and wondering if there’s other factors and shit?
It would be an awful lot easier to just take the goddamn kid’s word for it!
lol
i’m just trying to make your analogy more realistic
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:26 pm
by Mjl
"What the eff is this, seeking context and wondering if there’s other factors and shit?"
That sarcastic remark is targeting the analogy or the overall argument?
If it's the former, that's weird, because an analogy is by it's very nature a simplification.
If it's the latter, it's inaccurate.
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2022 5:01 pm
by Qusdahl
The sarcasm is poking fun at the attitude exhibited toward the war, and against me, for much of this thread.
You guys didn’t take the bait for this analogy, though. You immediately sensed there was more to it, and sought context, and saw right through that kid’s finger pointing and everything…
…soooo now let’s do world war 3!
Not that world war 3 could *possibly* have more to it than kids roughhousing in the yard. Guess maybe that’s not a good analogy either, then.
Nope, WW3 is a comparative cake walk! Once you saw one side point the finger at the other, you now know exactly who the good guys are and the bad guys are, no further context necessary. It’s all so Crystal clear!
Now let’s all sit back and enjoy that flash.
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2022 5:01 pm
by japhy
Vindman seems to be pretty knowledgeable. His analogy of Marco Rubio as "Secret Squirrel" is funny. Can we get him to run for political office?
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2022 5:28 pm
by japhy
If you listen to the entire podcast Oussie it might answer some of your questions.
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2022 6:10 pm
by PhDhawk
Someone needs to do their WW2 homework. When Hitler began invading other countries and the US and other countries didn't intervene because they didn't want another world war, because they wanted to remain neutral, because they wanted peace it resulted in catastrophically higher death totals.
History has shown us you can't let a madman run roughshod all over Europe. Waiting idly being neutral makes things much worse. Twice as many people died in ww2 than ww1. There is a precedent for this. We've seen how nonintervention plays out.
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2022 6:23 pm
by defixione
Hell of an interview.
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2022 6:58 pm
by jfish26
Reading Red Storm Rising for the first time in 20 years. Don’t know why I do this sort of thing; we watched Contagion the first real weekend of the pandemic.
I suppose there’s some psychological explanation having to do with an instinct to process the most extreme outcomes.
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2022 7:27 pm
by KUTradition
jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 02, 2022 6:58 pm
Reading
Red Storm Rising for the first time in 20 years. Don’t know why I do this sort of thing; we watched
Contagion the first real weekend of the pandemic.
I suppose there’s some psychological explanation having to do with an instinct to process the most extreme outcomes.
oooh…might have to watch Red Dawn tonight
WOLVERINES!!
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2022 8:08 pm
by jfish26
KUTradition wrote: ↑Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:32 pm
Qusdahl wrote: ↑Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:25 pm
Not trying to bicker, but if I may respectfully ask - could you consider whether there’s any risk to the “now is not the time” sort of rhetoric?
That seems like precisely the kind of thinking the war machine propaganda wants to condition us to do. What good is being anti-war, if you’re supposed to suddenly keep quiet as soon as the war drums beat again?
If we DONT make the conversation broader, then aren’t we just making it narrower? Isn’t that playing right into the warmonger’s hands, by reducing the narrative from some actual understanding that might foster some actual dialogue toward peace, down to the oversimplified “good vs evil” sort of rhetoric it takes to gain public support for war?
That logic seems about as good as, the immediate aftermath of a mass shooting being “not the time” to discuss gun violence. Do we really need more thoughts and prayers?
that’s a false equivalence
the time to not talk about gun violence is in the middle of a mass shooting, while people are still loosing their lives and the shooter is actively roaming the halls
The “this is not the time” crowd better be gargling salt water and warming up the pipes.
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2022 9:16 pm
by japhy
ruh roh
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 7:20 am
by jfish26
Fascinating:
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 7:50 am
by KUTradition
jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 7:20 am
Fascinating:
that image of the Fins with the reindeer is allsome
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:03 am
by Qusdahl
You guys, I feel better about this thread.
Not that I feel GOOD about it. But you know what I mean. Think I’ll at least be approaching it a little differently going forward. Thanks for putting up with my meltdown.
And yeah that reindeer pic is cool.
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:07 am
by Qusdahl
I wonder what our previous intel was on the condition of Russian army trucks and such.
And I’d be too much of a smartass, among other traits, to ever fit in a military, but if some asshole tried to get me to go fight and die for him on a stomach full of 2015 food, I would be, best case, dishonorably discharged in a hurry.
If you really expect me to get blown up then at least gimme a crappie po’boy or sumptin!
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:21 am
by japhy
Qusdahl wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:03 am
You guys, I feel better about this thread.
Not that I feel GOOD about it. But you know what I mean. Think I’ll at least be approaching it a little differently going forward. Thanks for putting up with my meltdown.
And yeah that reindeer pic is cool.
You probably just have a case of cabin fever. Solstice is almost here. They should be installing lights in the Spud Lounge any day now. Backfill is going into the old crawl space starting today. The mud season is almost here.
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:05 pm
by KUTradition
per WashPo:
after call with putin, Macron convinced that the worst is yet to come and that putin wants all of Ukraine
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:18 pm
by jfish26
KUTradition wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:05 pm
per WashPo:
after call with putin, Macron convinced that the worst is yet to come and that putin wants all of Ukraine
Unfortunately, no surprise there.
Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:52 pm
by NewtonHawk11
They did agree to a ceasefire though to get civilians out and "deliver aid"