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No. The government can act and take arms away. See the CSA. National defense and no standing army necessitated an armed electorate who could be summoned into a local militia regiment. But Shea's and the Whiskey rebellion were met with force and they were disarmed by a real militia.

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 4:29 pm The founding fathers never intended for the federal government to have a standing army. The idea was citizens could own guns, for their own self defense, that government would be limited. The states would come together, if necessary, against any foreign foe that threatened the states

Historically inaccurate.
Some founding fathers very much wanted a standing army.
And before the 2nd Amendment was signed in, a Federal army was already being established.

pdub wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 7:03 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 4:29 pm The founding fathers never intended for the federal government to have a standing army. The idea was citizens could own guns, for their own self defense, that government would be limited. The states would come together, if necessary, against any foreign foe that threatened the states

Historically inaccurate.
Some founding fathers very much wanted a standing army.
And before the 2nd Amendment was signed in, a Federal army was already being established.

Do a quick bit of research. The point of saying a "well regulated militia" was they feared a standing army was a threat to freedom too and wanted to limit government and avoid centralized power

Can you give us the reddit link?

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 7:13 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 7:03 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 4:29 pm The founding fathers never intended for the federal government to have a standing army. The idea was citizens could own guns, for their own self defense, that government would be limited. The states would come together, if necessary, against any foreign foe that threatened the states

Historically inaccurate.
Some founding fathers very much wanted a standing army.
And before the 2nd Amendment was signed in, a Federal army was already being established.

Do a quick bit of research. The point of saying a "well regulated militia" was they feared a standing army was a threat to freedom too and wanted to limit government and avoid centralized power

Shut up you fucking moran.
YOU do more research.
I read American history books like you read InfoWars.

There was no uniform they.
Do a “quick bit of research” on Hamilton, Washington and Knox.

pdub wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:15 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 7:13 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 7:03 pm

Historically inaccurate.
Some founding fathers very much wanted a standing army.
And before the 2nd Amendment was signed in, a Federal army was already being established.

Do a quick bit of research. The point of saying a "well regulated militia" was they feared a standing army was a threat to freedom too and wanted to limit government and avoid centralized power

Shut up you fucking moran.
YOU do more research.
I read American history books like you read InfoWars.

There was no uniform they.
Do a “quick bit of research” on Hamilton, Washington and Knox.

Then surely you remember reading the opinion that standing armies in times of peace were viewed as a threat to liberty. And that's why the 2nd amendment used the wording "well regulated militia"

The founding fathers believed in minimal centralized federal government. They understood the problems a centralized government and federal army could lead to. And they were 100 percent right. Look at what it turned into today

Randy is still pissed we won against the nazis.

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:39 pm Randy is still pissed we won against the nazis.

Lolol. God that is just awful. No way, nazis were about gun control

Nazis love guns, like randy. Therefore randy loves nazis.

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:26 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:15 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 7:13 pm

Do a quick bit of research. The point of saying a "well regulated militia" was they feared a standing army was a threat to freedom too and wanted to limit government and avoid centralized power

Shut up you fucking moran.
YOU do more research.
I read American history books like you read InfoWars.

There was no uniform they.
Do a “quick bit of research” on Hamilton, Washington and Knox.

Then surely you remember reading the opinion that standing armies in times of peace were viewed as a threat to liberty. And that's why the 2nd amendment used the wording "well regulated militia"

The founding fathers believed in minimal centralized federal government. They understood the problems a centralized government and federal army could lead to. And they were 100 percent right. Look at what it turned into today

You know that the Articles of Confederation were replaced by the Constitution... Right?

Shifty shifty. Randy gets ahead and shift goes the goalposts

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 9:17 pm Shifty shifty. Randy gets ahead and shift goes the goalposts

Randy loses another argument and starts calling everyone cucks

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:26 pm Then surely you remember reading the opinion that standing armies in times of peace were viewed as a threat to liberty. And that's why the 2nd amendment used the wording "well regulated militia"

The founding fathers believed in minimal centralized federal government. They understood the problems a centralized government and federal army could lead to. And they were 100 percent right. Look at what it turned into today

So you and your fellow MAGA-heads are going to take on one third of the Federal budget, with your penis extenders?

You can’t have it both ways. Either the 2nd Amendment was to establish a citizen army to defend against foreign aggression in lieu of a Federal army (your earlier claim) or it was designed for citizens to defend themselves against the Federal army (current claim). Which is it?

I think you were accidentally correct in your earlier claim, which also concludes that it is not an individual right, and thus the words “a well regulated militia” and the nine that follow it. Too bad the band of criminals on the SCOTUS pulled the 20th century version of Dred Scott decision in deciding Heller (and completed the trifecta with Dobbs and Citizens United)

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 9:04 pm

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:39 pm Randy is still pissed we won against the nazis.

Lolol. God that is just awful. No way, nazis were about gun control

The Randall, having learned history from alt right memes on reddit, has an alternate history.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... d-not-hel/

To help you with your research Randall.

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 9:04 pm

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:39 pm Randy is still pissed we won against the nazis.

Lolol. God that is just awful. No way, nazis were about gun control

VGR!

Attempt at humor or not, that is another one for the crimson.com HOF.
2 in one day should earn you your own special wing in the HOF museum.

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:26 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:15 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 7:13 pm

Do a quick bit of research. The point of saying a "well regulated militia" was they feared a standing army was a threat to freedom too and wanted to limit government and avoid centralized power

Shut up you fucking moran.
YOU do more research.
I read American history books like you read InfoWars.

There was no uniform they.
Do a “quick bit of research” on Hamilton, Washington and Knox.

Then surely you remember reading the opinion that standing armies in times of peace were viewed as a threat to liberty. And that's why the 2nd amendment used the wording "well regulated militia"

The founding fathers believed in minimal centralized federal government. They understood the problems a centralized government and federal army could lead to. And they were 100 percent right. Look at what it turned into today

God dude not every founding father was “I agree with randy”.

Did you do your research on Washington and Hamilton, oh, circa 1788?

Read this:



These:


This:


And this:



And get back to me with your opinion.

( hint some of the founding fathers wanted a stronger central government and a standing army - some of them wrote papers about it )

Hall of fame post of the month tho was when jfish tried to tell us covid mandates never happened

Since I know you don’t read more than three sentences at a time and it has to be on the internet for it to be true, how bout this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_No._16

So while yes, the second amendment was written to give citizens a way to prevent a corrupt government from forcing its will ( gee, I wonder why the newly formed America would be concerned about that ) it was also clearly written with a well regulated militia in mind — i.e. a group of people who followed a process of forming in time of need, one that was established and somewhat trained.