Kansas Crimson

NiceDC wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:57 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:48 am Except the jig will be up if, when the music stops, Democrats control the legislative and executive branches.

And they know that. At some point - and lord knows it's felt like we've lapped that point like it was a two-legged horse at Churchill Downs - the instinct for self-preservation (which is well-honed in these people) would suggest cutting bait.

I fully expect the Dems to nuke the filibuster in the next legislative session. Doing it early, and doing it loudly, ("We need to reverse the misguided policy of the previous administration, thus we are suspending the filibuster blah blah blah"). Doing it early and forcefully will also give it two years before next mid-term, when it's not going to be front of mind. Completely neutering the GOP will be interesting. I wonder if that makes them change their tune. Also, redistricting is about to happen, with GOP judges giving the blessing to political gerrymander. If Dems don't take advantage of that, then they are just dumb.

It might have been smarter to let Clinton win 2016 and build up for a massive 2020 change election, where they could further entrench their power.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:51 am Oh.

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:07 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:51 am Oh.

The more he complains about mail-in voting, the more it makes me think his group has some plan on order to manipulate mail-in votes. Everything he accuses others of is inevitably something that he himself is actually doing. He just can't help but talk about what he thinks he is getting away with. He seems to think it is a clever way to brag.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:11 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:07 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:51 am Oh.

The more he complains about mail-in voting, the more it makes me think his group has some plan on order to manipulate mail-in votes. Everything he accuses others of is inevitably something that he himself is actually doing. He just can't help but talk about what he thinks he is getting away with. He seems to think it is a clever way to brag.

The most logical thing would be to "catch" someone bad fiddling with ballots or the process. Then you claim it's all illegitimate.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:17 am I suspect the results are going to be so overwhelming that you can't fix this election by not counting a portion of the ballots. I think the only path is to delegitimize the results.

NiceDC wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:07 am If RBG (take my energy) kicks the bucket, Dems will also be packing the courts as well. I'm glad Roberts has been above all of this, but I agree, the judiciary is a mess, but I feel like Dems have something up their sleeves with the fact they've been so quiet about it.

Also, I generally trust qualified judges. I can't say that these are qualified judges tho.

NiceDC wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:23 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:21 am Regarding Trump’s claims of election and inquiries to delay/interfere, I think the biggest question mark remains:

just how far are republicans willing to march with this guy?

Every single republican will give the following quote, “the president was obviously joking, but we do want to make sure our elections are secure.”

None will advocate delaying anything.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:53 pm What’ll really get interesting, is how gop lawmakers respond if/when their base starts calling for a delay...

NiceDC wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:57 am I fully expect the Dems to nuke the filibuster in the next legislative session. Doing it early, and doing it loudly, ("We need to reverse the misguided policy of the previous administration, thus we are suspending the filibuster blah blah blah"). Doing it early and forcefully will also give it two years before next mid-term, when it's not going to be front of mind.

Former President Obama on Thursday called the Senate filibuster rule a "Jim Crow relic" and said it should be ended to help pass legislation that would restore a key provision of the Voting Rights Act.
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The former president's support for nixing the Senate filibuster — a procedural tactic that requires 60 votes for legislation to proceed — is likely to spark intense political debate. If Democrats win back both the Senate and the White House, they will be under pressure to get rid of the filibuster rule in order to push through high-priority legislation.

Changing Senate rules through a simple majority, a move sometimes referred to as the “nuclear option,” would be highly controversial, and it’s unclear if Democrats would have the political will or the votes needed to end the procedure.

But doing so would give them a better shot of passing measures like the Lewis bill on voting rights, even with a slim majority.

Earlier this month, presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden suggested he might support eliminating the filibuster if Senate Republicans were to adopt a hard line on opposing proposals from a prospective Democratic majority.