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Re: I believe her

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:40 am
by HouseDivided
DrPepper wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:36 am Is this supposed to be a joke? If you had paid attention to this story, you’d know the tipping point reason why she and her husband went to therapy was because she was insisting on having two front doors on her house. You see, since being sexually assaulted when she was 15 and having that trauma of not being able to escape for a while, she has a phobia of feeling enclosed. So she likes lots of doors.
Middle age manifests itself in multiple ways. I am sure that's the narrative she prefers to go with .

Re: I believe her

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:47 am
by Geezer
Psych's misogyny on display.

Re: I believe her

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:58 am
by ousdahl
Citing the ABA's "respect for the rule of law and due process," ABA President Robert Carlson wrote in a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee, "The basic principles that underscore the Senate's constitutional duty of advice and consent on federal judicial nominees require nothing less than a careful examination of the accusations and facts by the FBI."

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/28/65246114 ... avanaugh-v

Re: I believe her

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:09 am
by jfish26
It is not surprising that things got left off as "he-said, she-said." It is only slightly less surprising that people are still suggesting that due process and the accuser having a burden of proof matter here, at all.

Kavanaugh lacks candor. He lies in big ways and small ways. He is openly partisan. He does not belong on the Supreme Court.

Re: I believe her

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:20 am
by ousdahl
yeah, he didn't really seem to act like you want a scotus judge to act.

He was angry, defiant, no tact or awareness, accused the accuser, tried to discredit the whole process as a circus, blamed the Clintons. Think about that for a fucking second! Women accuse him of sexual assault and he tries to suggest Dowdy is behind it. Blaming political foes, ferreal?

Is it really too much to ask for a cool, composed, pragmatic type?

Re: I believe her

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:34 am
by DCHawk1
I get what yer sayin'.

I remember that time when I was accused -- repeatedly on national TV -- of being the leader of a secret gang-rape ring. I just kinda blew it off. NBD.

Re: I believe her

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:37 am
by DCHawk1
jfish26 wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:09 am It is not surprising that things got left off as "he-said, she-said." It is only slightly less surprising that people are still suggesting that due process and the accuser having a burden of proof matter here, at all.

Insisting on no burden of proof whatsoever leads to this kind of dipshittery.


Re: I believe her

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:45 am
by HouseDivided
Geezer wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:47 am Psych's misogyny on display.
Social psychology would back my assertion. I just calls it like I sees it.

Re: I believe her

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:50 am
by ousdahl
DCHawk1 wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:34 am I get what yer sayin'.

I remember that time when I was accused -- repeatedly on national TV -- of being the leader of a secret gang-rape ring. I just kinda blew it off. NBD.
that was no secret bro. didn't you operate out of a pizza joint?

nm still thinking of Dowdy.

Re: I believe her

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:53 am
by DCHawk1
ousdahl wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:50 amdidn't you operate out of a pizza joint?

And that's the relevant question. The pizza-gate story was treated for what it was -- complete lunacy.

The sex-ring story -- just as insane and just as dangerous -- was treated as legitimate news. Moreover, y'all are gonna nominate the guy for president.

Oh. And Fish thinks it's Kavanaugh's responsibility to prove he didn't run the rape gang.

Re: I believe her

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:54 am
by HouseDivided
HouseDivided wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:45 am
Geezer wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:47 am Psych's misogyny on display.
Social and evolutionary psychology would both back my assertion. I just calls it like I sees it.

Re: I believe her

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:59 am
by jfish26
DCHawk1 wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:37 am
jfish26 wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:09 am It is not surprising that things got left off as "he-said, she-said." It is only slightly less surprising that people are still suggesting that due process and the accuser having a burden of proof matter here, at all.

Insisting on no burden of proof whatsoever leads to this kind of dipshittery.

I think there is a standard implicit in a confirmation proceeding (given the Senate's "advise and consent" role): it is the nominee's burden to persuade the Senate that the Senate should consent to the appointment. In my view, Kavanaugh's very, very clear partisan-ness and lack of candor render him presently unworthy of the Senate's consent.

Re: I believe her

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:02 am
by HouseDivided
jfish26 wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:59 am
DCHawk1 wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:37 am
jfish26 wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:09 am It is not surprising that things got left off as "he-said, she-said." It is only slightly less surprising that people are still suggesting that due process and the accuser having a burden of proof matter here, at all.

Insisting on no burden of proof whatsoever leads to this kind of dipshittery.

I think there is a standard implicit in a confirmation proceeding (given the Senate's "advise and consent" role): it is the nominee's burden to persuade the Senate that the Senate should consent to the appointment. In my view, Kavanaugh's very, very clear partisan-ness and lack of candor render him presently unworthy of the Senate's consent.
Can you prove you didn’t rape her?

Monster!

Re: I believe her

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:06 am
by ousdahl
DCHawk1 wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:53 am
ousdahl wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:50 amdidn't you operate out of a pizza joint?

And that's the relevant question. The pizza-gate story was treated for what it was -- complete lunacy.

The sex-ring story -- just as insane and just as dangerous -- was treated as legitimate news. Moreover, y'all are gonna nominate the guy for president.

Oh. And Fish thinks it's Kavanaugh's responsibility to prove he didn't run the rape gang.
whoa, did you just equate Kavanaugh's accusers to pizzagate?

Re: I believe her

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:09 am
by jfish26
HouseDivided wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:02 am
jfish26 wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:59 am
DCHawk1 wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:37 am

Insisting on no burden of proof whatsoever leads to this kind of dipshittery.

I think there is a standard implicit in a confirmation proceeding (given the Senate's "advise and consent" role): it is the nominee's burden to persuade the Senate that the Senate should consent to the appointment. In my view, Kavanaugh's very, very clear partisan-ness and lack of candor render him presently unworthy of the Senate's consent.
Can you prove you didn’t rape her?

Monster!
I can't tell if you're intentionally or unintentionally missing the point: I don't think that it is necessary to find that he did rape Ford, or even probably raped Ford, to find that he lacks the basic candor and transparency that should be absolute prerequisites for a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court.

Re: I believe her

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:11 am
by jfish26
DCHawk1 wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:53 am
ousdahl wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:50 amdidn't you operate out of a pizza joint?

And that's the relevant question. The pizza-gate story was treated for what it was -- complete lunacy.

The sex-ring story -- just as insane and just as dangerous -- was treated as legitimate news. Moreover, y'all are gonna nominate the guy for president.

Oh. And Fish thinks it's Kavanaugh's responsibility to prove he didn't run the rape gang.
If you want to disagree with me, fine and it's interesting to discuss/debate, but you're above completely misrepresenting my very clear and consistent position so that you can deploy ready-made talking points.

Re: I believe her

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:11 am
by ousdahl
perhaps that's the problem:

republicans love partisan-ness and lack of candor.

Re: I believe her

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:19 am
by DCHawk1
ousdahl wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:06 am
DCHawk1 wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:53 am
ousdahl wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:50 amdidn't you operate out of a pizza joint?

And that's the relevant question. The pizza-gate story was treated for what it was -- complete lunacy.

The sex-ring story -- just as insane and just as dangerous -- was treated as legitimate news. Moreover, y'all are gonna nominate the guy for president.

Oh. And Fish thinks it's Kavanaugh's responsibility to prove he didn't run the rape gang.
whoa, did you just equate Kavanaugh's accusers to pizzagate?
One of them.

The 2020 Democratic presidential nominee.

Re: I believe her

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:21 am
by DCHawk1
jfish26 wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:11 am
DCHawk1 wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:53 am
ousdahl wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:50 amdidn't you operate out of a pizza joint?

And that's the relevant question. The pizza-gate story was treated for what it was -- complete lunacy.

The sex-ring story -- just as insane and just as dangerous -- was treated as legitimate news. Moreover, y'all are gonna nominate the guy for president.

Oh. And Fish thinks it's Kavanaugh's responsibility to prove he didn't run the rape gang.
If you want to disagree with me, fine and it's interesting to discuss/debate, but you're above completely misrepresenting my very clear and consistent position so that you can deploy ready-made talking points.
And if you want to disagree with me, that too is fine. But I write only my own thoughts. And accusing me of using "ready-made talking points" is using a ready-made talking point.

Or something.

Re: I believe her

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:24 am
by jfish26
I never said your talking points weren't your own!