Kansas Crimson

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:51 pm a number of us have mentioned academics and AAU membership

holidaysmore wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:41 pm If they Big 12 wants to save itself they had better act quickly and aggressively. If not, the ship is sinking and Goff and Co. better be on the horn yesterday to make moves. The last thing you want to do is be on the outside looking in.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:04 pm 2. OU and Texas are looking to get paid SEC type money---- but stay in the B12. How in the world does that happen you ask? By cutting the other eight. OU and Texas get $70 mill per year that comes off the top. The other eight share what is left over. ($20-some mill per school). You want to sit at he big boy table and call yourself a P5 school? That is going to be the price. The ask for this comes at a meeting this afternoon at 5:00 p.m.

if true, that takes some serious cajones by those two institutions, if indeed they really want to stay put

are they really twice as valuable as any other school in they conference?

Conference membership upheavals happen every now and then, usually when the big dogs notice one of two things: the bowl either doesn’t hold as much food, or there are too many puppies eating. It’s how the Big East basketball conference, one of the great philosophical confluences in the history of the sport, splintered into basketball schools and football schools. The football schools headed for the ACC to make that amalgamation into a Canada-to-Florida bloat-box, and since that moment, long-held associations became marriages of convenience, to be dissolved at the tap of a contactless ATM card.

Thus, the rumor that Texas and Oklahoma are looking to escape the Big XII, the fiefdom they largely dominate, to go to the already overstuffed SEC, a fiefdom run by Nick Saban’s mood on any given day, has folks seeing the writing smeared on the walls—that big attracts big, and if you have enough bigs, there aren’t enough smalls to matter any more.

In other words, the Big XII, which once actually had XII teams, will be back to VIII, and together they won’t have the clout of the two schools that left. Oklahoma State’s president is already up in arms, Texas A&M’s athletic director is already spoiling for a fight because it wants to be the only Texas school in the conference, and all the other petty resentments will be back in force before too much longer. “We’re all in this together” becomes “I’m sorry, but who is this ‘we’ of which you speak?”

It will mean, ultimately, that the slow-motion supercollider that smashes Texas and Oklahoma into Alabama and Georgia also flings the Iowa States and Oklahoma States and Kansas States out of their orbits and into a new and worrisome void without the rainmakers that made them nationally viable. In a new world in which the NCAA has finally surrendered the remaining powers it didn’t have over the conferences and schools while retaining the right to screw individual athletes on a whim, this is the obvious next step—for the bigger athletics departments to untether from their less moneyed brethren and sistren for the few real power centers in the industry, specifically the Big 10, SEC, and ACC. Maybe there will be a fourth gigantoconference formed, but we will soon see a college landscape with functionally less than half the current 130 FBS schools, and maybe as few as 40.

Gone to less lucrative and less noticed associations will be most of the schools with the same family surname of State, and yes, that will include States that currently feel safe, like Mississippi State or North Carolina State or Oregon State or that wackiest of States, the vaxless bastion that is Washington State. The new traditional rivals are wrapped in whatever color Bitcoin comes in, and if it means that USC and Oregon have to lead a new Big 10 Plus 10 with BYU and Minnesota and Kansas and whatever else is lying around, well, yesterday’s rivalries are today’s stretched-out bungee cords.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:49 pm We talk/think about this mainly in the terms of the 2 main sports, but football/basketball would survive just fine without conferences....isn't a big part of the value of conferences supposed to be academics? You know, the reason colleges/university exist in the first place.

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:41 pm

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:49 pm We talk/think about this mainly in the terms of the 2 main sports, but football/basketball would survive just fine without conferences....isn't a big part of the value of conferences supposed to be academics? You know, the reason colleges/university exist in the first place.

What "value" are you referring to? The only academic benefit to members schools is in the perception and reputation that they are amongst other good academic programs. There is no actual, tangible academic benefit.

holidaysmore wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:07 pm I suppose UT and OU have every right to make the asks they are asking. They certainly bring the most to the table. That being said I hope it back fires and those two ass clowns of schools end up in the SEC and consistently finish behind GA and Bama.

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:08 pm But aren’t conferences for athletics different than academic? I don’t see why the 2 have to collide.

I would imagine they are the only ones that do that, to this extent at least. No need to make that the prioritizing reason when conferences are more about sports than collaborations in a science lab.

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:09 pm

holidaysmore wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:07 pm I suppose UT and OU have every right to make the asks they are asking. They certainly bring the most to the table. That being said I hope it back fires and those two ass clowns of schools end up in the SEC and consistently finish behind GA and Bama.

Texas can kind of get over themselves. Their 7-5 seasons and 10 seeds in the NCAA tournaments are just worth all this shit. Fuck outta here.

LVCHawk wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:56 pm From the Phog courtesy of KansasCliff, https://247sports.com/college/kansas/bo ... M168110037

"That is what I am reading on other websites. I have not read through much of the Phog but general line of thinking across college sport's sites is:

1. OU and Texas did reach out to the SEC as a pair. It did not mean they were 100% wanting to go. Mostly looking at leverage.

2. OU and Texas are looking to get paid SEC type money---- but stay in the B12. How in the world does that happen you ask? By cutting the other eight. OU and Texas get $70 mill per year that comes off the top. The other eight share what is left over. ($20-some mill per school). You want to sit at he big boy table and call yourself a P5 school? That is going to be the price. The ask for this comes at a meeting this afternoon at 5:00 p.m..

3. Texas A&M is indeed doing everything they can to nix the deal. That is why they gave their beat reporter the scoop and he made the first report yesterday. Texas A&M likely to be looking at trouble including fines for doing so."

If this is true, which it verywell might not be, but if it is I hope KU is not stupid enough to entertain this. F em all, go find another conference.

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:48 pm I mean literally. Texas' best record over the last 10 years was 10-3. Herman's 2nd year and better than Mack's last 3 years.

Over the last decade their average record is 7-5.

OU's worst record over last decade is 8-5. They're not even on same wave length as Texas. They are lightyears ahead. Comparable in basketball as well. Texas can get over themselves. OU was just unfortunate to play juggernauts. But guess what, you'll get that 5 out of your 8 conference games in the SEC. Good luck making the playoffs.

Fuck both of them.