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RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 5:51 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:07 pm

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 7:19 am If the NFL is going to suspend players based on ACCUSATIONS then most NFL Players should be suspended for something.
If Watson did what he was accused of doing to even one woman - and was found guilty - then I fully support his being suspended for multiple games - if not a permanent ban.

So buying himself out of a court decision by reaching a financial settlement with the accusers gets him off punishment free?

Excellent question! I just feel it opens a bad precedent to punish someone for something they may not have done. On the flip side, I can all but promise you the majority of NFL players have done something worthy of suspension and yet the majority of NFL players have not been suspended.

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 5:51 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:07 pm

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 7:19 am If the NFL is going to suspend players based on ACCUSATIONS then most NFL Players should be suspended for something.
If Watson did what he was accused of doing to even one woman - and was found guilty - then I fully support his being suspended for multiple games - if not a permanent ban.

So buying himself out of a court decision by reaching a financial settlement with the accusers gets him off punishment free?

Excellent question! I just feel it opens a bad precedent to punish someone for something they may not have done. On the flip side, I can all but promise you the majority of NFL players have done something worthy of suspension and yet the majority of NFL players have not been suspended.

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 8:28 am

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 5:51 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:07 pm

So buying himself out of a court decision by reaching a financial settlement with the accusers gets him off punishment free?

Excellent question! I just feel it opens a bad precedent to punish someone for something they may not have done. On the flip side, I can all but promise you the majority of NFL players have done something worthy of suspension and yet the majority of NFL players have not been suspended.

The player gets an opportunity to make their case as to whether anything happened or not to the NFL. They don't just read the papers and then hand down a suspension out of the blue.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 8:54 am A financial settlement in a civil trial isn't the same as a guilty verdict.

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:43 am twocoach and CNB - I fully admit I am not really educated on the process. I appreciate your input and at some point I will try and learn more about the procedures and protocols in regards to conduct policies and how they are (and are not) enforced.
Like most things, I figure there will never be a perfect system.

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:43 am twocoach and CNB - I fully admit I am not really educated on the process. I appreciate your input and at some point I will try and learn more about the procedures and protocols in regards to conduct policies and how they are (and are not) enforced.
Like most things, I figure there will never be a perfect system.

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:51 am

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:43 am twocoach and CNB - I fully admit I am not really educated on the process. I appreciate your input and at some point I will try and learn more about the procedures and protocols in regards to conduct policies and how they are (and are not) enforced.
Like most things, I figure there will never be a perfect system.

As CnB noted, think about this from an employer perspective. My employer can see my name noted in the newspaper as being involved in some unsavory business and bring me in to ask me questions about it. If they feel that their questions lead them to believe that I have violated my employee code of conduct, they can fire me or some other mutually agreed upon punishment. It does not require me to be found guilty of a crime for me to be found guilty of violating that agreement.

NOTE: I haven't actually read my agreed-to Employee Code of Conduct in some time so I am not sure of specifically what I could or could not be found to be in violation of said policy. I use the above only as an example.

The actions being taken by the NFL vs. Watson are by an employer against an employee for a violation of the mutually agreed upon NFL Personal Conduct policy.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:58 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:51 am

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:43 am twocoach and CNB - I fully admit I am not really educated on the process. I appreciate your input and at some point I will try and learn more about the procedures and protocols in regards to conduct policies and how they are (and are not) enforced.
Like most things, I figure there will never be a perfect system.

As CnB noted, think about this from an employer perspective. My employer can see my name noted in the newspaper as being involved in some unsavory business and bring me in to ask me questions about it. If they feel that their questions lead them to believe that I have violated my employee code of conduct, they can fire me or some other mutually agreed upon punishment. It does not require me to be found guilty of a crime for me to be found guilty of violating that agreement.

NOTE: I haven't actually read my agreed-to Employee Code of Conduct in some time so I am not sure of specifically what I could or could not be found to be in violation of said policy. I use the above only as an example.

The actions being taken by the NFL vs. Watson are by an employer against an employee for a violation of the mutually agreed upon NFL Personal Conduct policy.

Do you have a CBA? That would be the one NFL nuance here that is different from most people's employment. Most US employment is at-will, so those employees can be legally fired for liking the wrong sports team let alone for being the subject of a criminal investigation or unsavory news story.

But again, we're kind of missing the real story here: the NFL signaled that they are completely fine with Watson making 100's of millions of dollars playing football and again being a face that represents the NFL and its teams.

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 8:23 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:09 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:07 pm

So buying himself out of a court decision by reaching a financial settlement with the accusers gets him off punishment free?

Are you referring to the civil lawsuit or criminal trial?

You don't reach financial settlements with accusers to end criminal court cases, Illy. Is that a question that seriously needed to be asked? I also assume you already know that there aren't any criminal court cases going on. So just say what you were trying to say.

hartjack8 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:57 pm Just wandering if you all forgetting he sat out all last year. He did not play a year of football already.
Is this not considered or just forgotten.